 The Great CGL Rumors and Speculation Thread |
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 Mar 19 2010, 05:10 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000  Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951  |
QUOTE (spongeclip @ Mar 19 2010, 04:38 PM)  Yeah now would be the time to snap up all the CGL books that you can because they might be out of print if CGL goes under - which i see as unlikely but possible. Don't worry about dead trees, stock would still be around for a while. But you could kiss the searchable, DRM- & watermark-free PDFs from BattleShop goodbye instantly. And while it is quite likely to see new prints with a new publisher, seeing PDFs again… not so much. |
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Mar 19 2010, 08:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
QUOTE (Cergorach @ Mar 18 2010, 09:51 PM) Crafty Games is probably to small to cough up the dough for the licenses and they don't have a great track record with releases. FFG is out of the RPG business. Not sure if I pointed this out up thread here or over at RPG.net but Crafty just announced Spycraft 3.0 so I really doubt they are interested in the SR license. They are also very small as you point out. FFG is certainly not out of the RPG business. The big, awesome box of WFRP 3rd Edition that is sitting on my shelf would argue otherwise, along with the recent shipping of the Gamemaster's Toolkit as well as the announcement of a Deathwatch RPG to complement Dark Heresey and Rogue Trader. |
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Mar 19 2010, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Cheops @ Mar 19 2010, 09:12 PM) Not sure if I pointed this out up thread here or over at RPG.net but Crafty just announced Spycraft 3.0 so I really doubt they are interested in the SR license. They are also very small as you point out. FFG is certainly not out of the RPG business. The big, awesome box of WFRP 3rd Edition that is sitting on my shelf would argue otherwise, along with the recent shipping of the Gamemaster's Toolkit as well as the announcement of a Deathwatch RPG to complement Dark Heresey and Rogue Trader. Doh! I completely forgot FFGs WFRP, DH, and RT! I even have all of them sitting on a plank behind me. Let's call it a momentary lapse into being stupid, sorry. I'm not a great fan of WFRP 3rd Edition, I have it, but just not doing 'it' for me. But if the quality of DH and RT is any indication, they would deliver some great SR/BT products. On the other hand if WFRP is any indication, they release three books before they turn it into a board game... |
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Mar 19 2010, 08:23 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
Yes actually FFG would be a good fit. Especially since Battletech kind of falls into their wheel-house: board games. Picking up the license gives them a tried and tested Table-Top Miniatures game as well as Game Universe for an RPG. Shadowrun not so much but they'd do a good job of it. Plus I wouldn't mind seeing a full re-try of an SR miniatures game a la DMZ (wasn't a fan of that action figure game they put out a while back). Or maybe a re-try of the CCG.
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Mar 19 2010, 11:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 |
I wonder how WFRP 3 is doing for FFG, I think that would determine if they go that route again. Thier RPGs have not been as successful as their board games but SJG said the same thing in the shareholder report. RPGs just don't sell like board games. After playing Desolation I'm tempted to try WFRP at a con, it made me realize custom dice are kinda cool.
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Mar 19 2010, 11:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 21-July 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 7,508 |
QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Mar 18 2010, 03:59 PM) Midnight has a March 22nd Street Date. Of course, it'd be even nicer if I, or any of the other people who worked on it, were paid... I'm sorry. At this time, it looks as though I was incorrect in stating Midnight's street date, which has now moved to undetermined, I believe. |
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Mar 19 2010, 11:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 337 Joined: 1-September 06 From: LI, New York Member No.: 9,286 |
QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Mar 19 2010, 07:22 PM) I'm sorry. At this time, it looks as though I was incorrect in stating Midnight's street date, which has now moved to undetermined, I believe. Tease... |
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Mar 20 2010, 12:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Mar 19 2010, 09:10 AM) But you could kiss the searchable, DRM- & watermark-free PDFs from BattleShop goodbye instantly. And while it is quite likely to see new prints with a new publisher, seeing PDFs again… not so much. Oh man. If things do go all the way south, I hope this leads to a massive PDF release rush. Is there a reason they wouldn't go all fire sale on us if it really was the end of days? There seems to be a bit of talk about how they've got stockpiles of stuff waiting on release. That's assuming they can clear tabs with the FL writers I guess... |
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Mar 20 2010, 01:01 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Mar 20 2010, 12:18 AM) Oh man. If things do go all the way south, I hope this leads to a massive PDF release rush. Is there a reason they wouldn't go all fire sale on us if it really was the end of days? There seems to be a bit of talk about how they've got stockpiles of stuff waiting on release. That's assuming they can clear tabs with the FL writers I guess... I just hope that if CGL retains the licence, they don't try to recoup the money by rushing out a 5th edition and trying to squeeze more money out of everyone. And if someone else takes over, that they don't do so either. K. |
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Mar 20 2010, 01:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
It must have been an alien wizard that made off with the money!
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Mar 20 2010, 01:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 20-January 09 Member No.: 16,795 |
QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 19 2010, 07:01 PM) I just hope that if CGL retains the licence, they don't try to recoup the money by rushing out a 5th edition and trying to squeeze more money out of everyone. And if someone else takes over, that they don't do so either. K. Developing, publishing, and flogging a new set of rules isn't exactly cheap. There is serious up-front outlay for that sort of thing, which is exactly where CGL isn't right now, given that they've been making only small print runs for some time. |
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Mar 20 2010, 01:30 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Well, technically, they should/could have been doing that for quite some time now.
If you look back, each version of shadowrun had a life time of about 5 years. And shadowrun 4 is about 5 years old now if i am not mistaken. Technically, it is time for a new version of Shadowrun no matter what happens at/with/to CGL . . |
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Mar 20 2010, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (Daylen @ Mar 19 2010, 06:08 PM) It must have been an alien wizard that made off with the money! lol, shoot it! shoot it! shoot it again!! |
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Mar 20 2010, 02:22 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669 |
QUOTE I just hope that if CGL retains the licence, they don't try to recoup the money by rushing out a 5th edition and trying to squeeze more money out of everyone. And if someone else takes over, that they don't do so either. K. I'm in 50% agreement and 50% the other way. If Catalyst retains the license, I hope they don't try to put out another edition. OTOH, I would love to see another company give a go at creating SR5. |
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Mar 20 2010, 02:25 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Wasn't there a rumor about SR5D20 some years back? *runs for his life*
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Mar 20 2010, 02:31 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
5 * 20 is 100. SR + D = SRD, System Reference Document. Put together the clues!
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Mar 20 2010, 02:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 20-January 09 Member No.: 16,795 |
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 19 2010, 07:31 PM) 5 * 20 is 100. SR + D = SRD, System Reference Document. Put together the clues! All is clear, gaming vibrating at the 100th harmonic of colour! |
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Mar 20 2010, 04:09 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2010, 10:25 PM) Wasn't there a rumor about SR5D20 some years back? *runs for his life* That was an April Fools joke. Shame on you for bringing it back up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Mar 20 2010, 06:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 17-March 10 Member No.: 18,303 |
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Mar 20 2010, 07:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006 |
QUOTE (Dread Moores @ Mar 20 2010, 01:50 AM) First, I have never been so sure about ICV2's news, as it has been wrong in the past. Second, it seems that it is a selective list, not total. It would be nice if we knew which sales have been stopped. I expect it is going to be the books that are still needing to get their freelancers paid. I notice that it did not list Battletech sales being halted, which could imply either a) There are no products that Freelancers on Battletech had not been paid for, or b) The unpaid Battletech Freelancers accepted the payment schedules sent out, while the SR and Cthulhutech people did not or c) The SR Freelancers made a big stink, someone threatened with a lawyer, and CGL decided to stop the books with unpaid Freelancers, despite doing so costing them potential revenue, to pay the Freelancers first. or d) The books that are on the list are pre-order books, and CGL is trying to make sure they can cover the pre-orders, since the books are delayed in printing either because of this or from other considerations, and, overall, has no bearing on the rumourmill. Can we get a listing of the books that are (likely) temporarily halted on sales? I did a bit of searching on the Battleshop. I found only two books which had their PDFs pulled: Vice and Seattle 2072. They are also out of stock on SR4A. It seems likely these are the books they asked distributors to stop taking orders for, as a) They obviously cannot keep up with the demand for SR4A, and b) I have never seen a book available as a PDF go to "book only" from CGL. Vice and Seattle 2072 are also the only SR4 books missing from Drivethrurpg. Interestingly, I see no CthulhuTech books missing from either source. Also, I would expect the SR4A LE to be among the "halts", simply because of all the delays with that book getting here. |
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Mar 20 2010, 10:14 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
The DotA:Dusk PDF is missing from BattleShop. Sounds like some freelancers are serious about copyright.
Again: If you are interested in specific PDFs, now seems to be the time to get them. |
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Mar 20 2010, 10:38 AM
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This rumor should be easily verified, get a store that carries SR/CT call the distributor and ask. As no distributor in the Netherlands carries CGL products, I can't help you folks verify this on my end. It now being the weekend does suck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
ic2v.com has posted inaccurate reports before, but as this could be easily verified from their end, it should not be a rumor. But sometimes news articles don't get checked as thoroughly as they should. As to why certain releases were pulled. It can't be the SR/CT licenses, then everything would be pulled right now, including PDFs. The only thing I can imagine is the freelance issue, folks not getting payed 30 days after publication. The products that seem to have been 'pulled' have a release date that is older then 30 days. |
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Mar 20 2010, 11:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
QUOTE (ICV2) Catalyst is attempting to get the rights to continue to sell both game lines, but has given its distributors a list of products that can no longer be sold effective immediately. After some browsing through DriveThru and Battleshop, it looks like the list of products includes Vice, Seattle 2072, and Dawn of the Artifacts: Dusk as they seem to no longer appear in the catalog. Dawn of the artifacts: Midnight I couldn't find on DriveThru anymore, but it's still available on Battleshop. |
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Mar 20 2010, 12:16 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Mar 19 2010, 06:10 PM) But you could kiss the searchable, DRM- & watermark-free PDFs from BattleShop goodbye instantly. And while it is quite likely to see new prints with a new publisher, seeing PDFs again… not so much. Why do you think so? |
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Mar 20 2010, 12:22 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Why I think so about the first part?
Well… just read the posts above. Why I think so about the second part? Because WotC pulled the D&D4 PDF line, citing piracy – the industry is pretty paranoid about PDF releases (no matter that the books are scanned & pirated anyway), at the very least watermarking them or considering going back to the DRM age (see iPad, Kindle, etc.). It was IMR that pushed the hassle-free PDFs for SR and BT, before becoming CGL… |
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