The CGL situation p3 Options

[Bull]

A certain unnamed author already took care of rogue brown body parts for a lifetime, thank you very much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

You know, considering some of the genre fictions out there (ANita BLake? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ), one Rogue Nipple (As opposed to a rouge nipple) is awfully tame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull

[Rotbart van Dain...]

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something.

You mean like Wildfire terminating their business with CGL over nonpayment and breach of contracts?

Looks like they aren't quite as optimistic as you are.

[ketjak]

When I read the letter, it was my impression that they'd taken the position of "forgive and forget since he's going to be paying it all back" -- it's the "since he's going to be paying it all back" that wrapped up nicely in my mind. I really don't see why people are getting worked up about this or why private correspondence needed to be posted. Apparently everything is on its way to being fixed. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something.

This last part is very true, though it is no fault of yours. What has Loren L. Coleman written for IMR since 2005? The repayment terms should cover work he does for IMR, but it seems his most valuable work is no longer being performed for IMR... unless he's drawing a decent salary that is being garnished in some way, in which case he is still operating as a corporate officer and representative to IMR partners.

That's not something I would like to see, as a matter of record. In my opinion IMR needs his writing, not his business sense.

- Ket, not an interesting interview subject (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Dwight]

..... I'm sure there would eventually be repercussions. From several directions....

...just like a Tennessee Logjam.

[Clutch9800]

I'm trying to find a way to post this without sounding snarky, and I know I'm going to fail. So, let me preface this by saying that I am not trying to insult, disrespect, belittle, or slander you in any way.

Exactly what authority do you have as line developer? It sounds like you can only propose major decisions, and can't actually implement them on your own. You make it sound like you have a lot of influence, but not a lot of actual authority or power to make major decisions.

Again, please forgive me if I come across as insulting. I'm not trying to be a troll. I'm just curious as to how much free rein you have when it comes to developing Shadowrun projects. I know that past Line Developers have had almost total freedom; I'm wondering how CGL handles things.

Well,

It's unrealistic to make that comparison. The only past Line Developer that had total freedom was Rob Boyle. But that was because Rob Boyle was not only Shadowrun Line Developer, Rob Boyle was FanPro. The European side, (Fantasy Productions) had for all intents and purposes zero input or control over the game lines produced in the United States. Even then, if memory serves Rob had to get a cursory nod from Wizkids on his ideas for plot-line direction.

Every other Line Developer before or since has had some kind of creative boss to get approval from. At CGL it's Randall Bills who is the creative manager of all the lines.

Clutch

[JM Hardy]

Well,

It's unrealistic to make that comparison. The only past Line Developer that had total freedom was Rob Boyle. But that was because Rob Boyle was not only Shadowrun Line Developer, Rob Boyle was FanPro. The European side, (Fantasy Productions) had for all intents and purposes zero input or control over the game lines produced in the United States. Even then, if memory serves Rob had to get a cursory nod from Wizkids on his ideas for plot-line direction.

Every other Line Developer before or since has had some kind of creative boss to get approval from. At CGL it's Randall Bills who is the creative manager of all the lines.

Clutch

This. Needing approval from above is fairly normal. But so far, that has not been a problem!

Jason H.

[emouse]

...just like a Tennessee Logjam.

That sounds like something that I don't want to look up in Urban Dictionary.

[Endroren]

I must have a different set of assumptions as I assume that most of the fanbase is ignorant of the situation and especially of the updates.

I think you are right on. I game with a bunch of long time Shadowrun fans, I'm part of a couple of gaming email groups, and I spend way too much time in my FLGS (we actually have quite a few around here amazingly.) Most people are either completely unaware that there is anything going on at all, or if they have an inkling of it they could care less.

Even other forums where this is being discussed seems to be made up largely of the people from THESE forums saying the same things in different places.

I'm in no way trying to suggest that what is happening isn't important - but our unruly mob here is a very small piece of the Shadowrun customer base - and most of that customer base doesn't know or care about what is happening.

[Dread Moores]

You know, considering some of the genre fictions out there (ANita BLake? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ), one Rogue Nipple (As opposed to a rouge nipple) is awfully tame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull

One? Clearly you weren't reading the same book, big guy. They were spawning like Invae up in that joint. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[fistandantilus4....]

Oh, good point. Forgot about those since I don't often deal with them.

Military NDAs (aside from the scientific / Governmental ones), would be brutal. It's like treason to even think of breaking one. <Insert assumption here>

Well, not thinking, but yeah, depending on what Top Secret information you give out, it could well be treason. Which, btw, is still punishable by death in the U.S.

But the process of vetting someone for Top Secret clearance goes waaay beyond a NDA.

[BlueMax]

When I had to get my SK clearance to work on manufacturing Battlemechs, they used a neural helmet during the interview. At least the dragon didn't pierce my mind. (or so I think)

How will the current CGL situation impact my proposed Battlerun books? Mercurial's Maidens have work to do for Horizon/FS.

On a serious note, my friends and I always used SR2 for Mechwarrior (2nd ed) as the priority systems showed the great parallels.

BlueMax

[Oboe Cop]

BT authors writing SR? Is that even rational?

I used to do it.

[Bull]

Well,

It's unrealistic to make that comparison. The only past Line Developer that had total freedom was Rob Boyle. But that was because Rob Boyle was not only Shadowrun Line Developer, Rob Boyle was FanPro. The European side, (Fantasy Productions) had for all intents and purposes zero input or control over the game lines produced in the United States. Even then, if memory serves Rob had to get a cursory nod from Wizkids on his ideas for plot-line direction.

Every other Line Developer before or since has had some kind of creative boss to get approval from. At CGL it's Randall Bills who is the creative manager of all the lines.

Clutch

Even with Rob and FanPro, things had to go through Mike Mulvihill over at WizKids for approval, as he oversaw the use of the Shadowrun license for them. Granted, it's seems like it was mostly a formality, since ROb and Mike had worked together on SR at FASA, but still...

The last time the Line Dev had anything close to autonomy was FASA, and even them was still stuck at the behest of accountants and upper management for certain details.

Bull

[Bull]

One? Clearly you weren't reading the same book, big guy. They were spawning like Invae up in that joint. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Eh, to be fair, I only read the trilogy once, shortly after it was released (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Still, compared to graphic descriptions of sex with bestial werewolf cock... (It's a shame, cause the first couple Blake books weren't too terrible, for what they were. But they rapidly spiraled down into some wierd, kinky porn).

Bull

[augmentin]

Um...Seriously? We get posts like the above from a moderator?

This is somehow related to shadowrun or IMR/GCL because...

[Ol' Scratch]

Um...Seriously? We get posts like the above from a moderator?

This is somehow related to shadowrun or IMR/GCL because...

Could ask that about your post, and this one as well. (I'm a huge fan of ironic hypocrisy.)

[Derek]

(It's a shame, cause the first couple Blake books weren't too terrible, for what they were. But they rapidly spiraled down into some wierd, kinky porn).

Bull

First five books were great urban fantasy, a genre I really like (huh, who whoulda figgered, since SR is kind of urban fantasy?), after that, downhill fast.

Enough of a tangent, though.

[Patrick Goodman]

But the process of vetting someone for Top Secret clearance goes waaay beyond a NDA.

Boy, that's no frikkin' joke...one of the longest, most obnoxious periods of my life was waiting for my clearance to work in SAC HQ in Omigod, NE....

[Quince]

Um...Seriously? We get posts like the above from a moderator?

Quince doesn't think Bull was using his happy fun moderator orange font color, so assumes his commlink was broadcasting in Bull the Ork Decker instead of Bull the Moderator mode.

[Wandering One]

Um...Seriously? We get posts like the above from a moderator?

This is somehow related to shadowrun or IMR/GCL because...

After the volume of tangents in this thread (including ~3 pages of police riding/humping unicorns ) THIS is the derail that catches your attention?!

Really?

Maybe Bull's simply as human as the rest of us and enjoys a good conversation too.

[augmentin]

Ironic hypocrisy is more or less what I'm aiming for.
My post(s) on the Lorenii forum were inappropriate and I apologize for that. I'll go apologize over there next. (I would argue that posting publicly available information doesn't cross any lines, but I can understand Fistandfabulous's [sp?] line of thought that it is inappropriate to this forum.) My two requests are:
1) whether posting in orange, white, or pink mohawk, can the moderators hold themselves to the same standards members are held to, and
2) could we as members please have some method of contacting a moderator? And please don't say it's easty. In five minutes of downtime and armed only with an internet connection and Google I was able to find Loren L. Coleman's current home address, when it was built, and estimated appraisals for the last three years (hint: it's a VERY nice house), his previous home address (still owned by him and according to TigerEyes leased to IMR/GCL as "office space"), how much and who he donated to in the last presidential election, and what is presumably his home phone number. [EDIT: removed misleading information.] Now, my point is not that it was in any way appropriate for me to post the links to that information. It's that I spent 20 minutes (four times as long) trying to find out how to contact a moderator and failed. If so, I could have just asked if the links were appropriate to his forum.
Sorry, diverged from ironic hypocrisy and just asked for what I wanted. I'll try harder next time.

[Adam]

Contacting the moderator has been brought up in this thread and will be addressed.

And just to head something off at the pass ... the "Bull" that you found listed on an AYFL page is not the same person that posts on these [and many gaming message boards] as Bull. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[augmentin]

Cool - thanks! BTW- was really glad to here you've already lined up a bunch of new clients. Congrats! And good luck with Eclipse Phase.

[CanadianWolverin...]

...I turned Shadowrun into a vehicle for hardcore porn...
Jason H.

Tell me more. I was hoping one day we would get better descriptions of what some magic users get up to on the astral... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Wandering One]

Tell me more. I was hoping one day we would get better descriptions of what some magic users get up to on the astral... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I'm thinkin' Lawnmower Man meets Pixar Studios for the graphics...