The CGL situation p3 Options

[Ghremdal]

Very likely. Is there anything dragons don't control (I count several AAA corps, the Triads, Yakuza...)?

Though a lot of my lore came from Shapcano's and Rat's stories, and what I've been able to scrape together on Ancient History's site and the 6th world wiki. For a long while I thought that the mana cycles in ~25 k years, rather then the canon 5k.

Anyway what I'm trying to say, even if Catalyst doesn't make it through (and I hope they do), imho there are a lot of fan based enhancements to the core rules that will provide me plenty of fun.

[Adam]

Frank didn't need to post the actual letter. That's not fun. That kind of real information is killing my hope that this is still an april fools day thing.

There is no elaborate joke going on.

[Delarn]

Wait there was someone crazy enough to have posted PM onto the board ... He's he just plain stupid or is it my imagination ?

[Method]

And so ends Franks return to Dumpshock. Good times.

I gotta admit tho, I miss having that guy around. Not the controversy, mind you, but he has some great ideas about SR.

[JM Hardy]

Well, look what happens when I decide to spend the day with my family!

I'm mainly popping in to say I'm still here to say what I can, but also to insist that there are some things that are private that I will keep private, even if other people don't feel compelled to do so.

Jason H.

[Zolhex]

Well, look what happens when I decide to spend the day with my family!

I'm mainly popping in to say I'm still here to say what I can, but also to insist that there are some things that are private that I will keep private, even if other people don't feel compelled to do so.

Jason H.

Don't feel bad I missed all the excitment too silly me I was playing Shadowrun with my friends (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) .

[JM Hardy]

Don't feel bad I missed all the excitment too silly me I was playing Shadowrun with my friends (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) .

Excellent, excellent decision.

Jason H.

[Grexul]

Wow! I'm glad to know it wasn't my pithy little comment that closed the thread.
There is alot of difference between a private letter to the freelancers and a press release to a forum, the second can and usually does contain considerable spin, the first should be as straight as possible.

Grexul

My screenname is missing an 'x'.

[Method]

Don't feel bad I missed all the excitment too silly me I was playing Shadowrun with my friends (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) .

You didn't miss much. You made the right decision.

[Ol' Scratch]

Grexul

My screenname is missing an 'x'.

I tried sending you a private message, but you have them disabled. Anyway, if your name was an innocent mistake and not part of an image you're going for, you can send a message to Adam or most of the other mods here and ask them to change it for you. Adam was kind enough to do so for me when my name was too long for the new forum software (I was going by Doctor Funkenstein then). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nemafow]

Man, I miss the forums for a day and the whole thing blows up, and I don't know diddly squat of whats happened.

[Khyron]

Frank is still posting the letter around but not on DS.

[Method]

[edit]- NM. I was going to give a synopsis without details, but Khyron already threw it out there.

[Oehler the Black]

Jeez I play one session of SR and miss some crazy thread drama?
Would anyone care to stifle wild speculation and provide myself and the other neophytes an idea of wtf just happened? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

[Grexul]

I tried sending you a private message, but you have them disabled. Anyway, if your name was an innocent mistake and not part of an image you're going for, you can send a message to Adam or most of the other mods here and ask them to change it for you. Adam was kind enough to do so for me when my name was too long for the new forum software (I was going by Doctor Funkenstein then). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks for the info, I haven't found how to enable PMs yet, so I haven't been ale to PM anyone. Grexul has been the name of several my PCs over the years, in SR and D&D. It came from an old fantasy novel by Lin Carter.

Grexul

My screenname is missing an 'x'.

[Khyron]

Thanks for the info, I haven't found how to enable PMs yet, so I haven't been ale to PM anyone. Grexul has been the name of several my PCs over the years, in SR and D&D. It came from an old fantasy novel by Lin Carter.

Grexul

My screenname is missing an 'x'.

It's the board spambot protection system. You need something like 10 posts before you can PM.

[nemafow]

Ah, I found the letter posted on the intrawebs... I see what I missed. Interesting.

[SecGuard]

Thanks for the info, I haven't found how to enable PMs yet, so I haven't been ale to PM anyone. Grexul has been the name of several my PCs over the years, in SR and D&D. It came from an old fantasy novel by Lin Carter.

Grexul

My screenname is missing an 'x'.

You're up too 10 now so you should be able too PM now.

Man i went to get some sleep and thread2 went into meltdown.

[knasser]

Jeez I play one session of SR and miss some crazy thread drama?
Would anyone care to stifle wild speculation and provide myself and the other neophytes an idea of wtf just happened? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

A letter to freelancers was posted on private freelancer forums from the Managing Developer of CGL. At least one of the free lancers decided it should be public and used the anonymous remailing services of FrankTrollman - he being the one that cannot be fired and cannot be blacklisted by the industry any further than he already is. The letter appeared here and on other sites.

For some reason I can't quite fathom, this resulted in the entire thread being deleted. That's pretty off, imo. There was some momentary religious conflagration because the letter was a personal letter and the author stated how their religious beliefs influenced their decisions in this matter. Frank made some comment about religious hoo-haw not trumping the law or similar. Someone else launched launched into one on that. Then thread-boom.

The letter basically admits in different words that Loren Coleman and his wife have embezzled money from CGL, by implication confirms the scale of it is large and that this situation has been brewing for some time.

Posting private correspondence is against the terms of DS, apparently, and Frank has now been super-banned from Dumpshock. Though it must be said as Frank is no longer allowed to defend himself on these forums that the letter was posted on a forum for the freelancers and he was asked by one or more of those freelancers to let us the community see it. If you send someone a letter, you have no legal power over what that person gets to do with it or share it with. The moral issue of whether to share it or not, obviously is impacted by the contents. In this case, one or more of the freelancers felt the content needed to be shared with the fans.

Now simply deleting the thread wont silence questioning about the letter (the reverse) and censoring discussion of it will just lead to more confusion, questions and discussion (as we are seeing). I am reminded of the old British joke - "It's not true until a government official denies it". So this is the cleanest summary of the letter situation I can provide and hopefully it will satisfy everyone's legitimate curiousity about "what just happened" and prevent this becoming a censorship war which will only reflect badly on the DS and inflame the curious further.

Peace,

Khadim.

[Tycho]

some people never learn the lesson...

The letter is now all over the RPG sites und forums.
Thanks, Frank Trollman for sharing this information.

cya
Tycho

[BTFreeLancer]

A letter to freelancers was posted on private freelancer forums from the Managing Developer of CGL.

You realize of course the Managing Developer of CGL is the co-owner, and the person who has the *most* at stake here.

some of us received the letter by private email. If it was on a private forum, that's where it should have stayed.

At least one of the free lancers decided it should be public and used the anonymous remailing services of FrankTrollman

And what gives them that right?

I don't have an issue with Frank posting the letter, he's never made any secret of his bias, and in this case he's simply an automaton that follows what instructions he's been given, and then kicks into pavlovian response on forums. My ire is reserved for those few SR freelancers who are pulling his strings anonymously. I don't particularly want my dirty laundry aired, especially without my consent. On the email that was sent out, I count 50+ BT Freelancers - not sure of the SR numbers, but I'd imagine they'd be similar. Why should I have any respect for the people who selfishly decided that all 100+ people (and that's just the SR and BT IPs, the other IPs would increase that) should have their financial situation with CGL aired in public?

If that letter was directly addressed to those freelancers with concerns - and only them - then they could do what they want with it.

But it wasn't.

[Cain]

Posting private correspondence is against the terms of DS, apparently, and Frank has now been super-banned from Dumpshock. Though it must be said as Frank is no longer allowed to defend himself on these forums that the letter was posted on a forum for the freelancers and he was asked by one or more of those freelancers to let us the community see it. If you send someone a letter, you have no legal power over what that person gets to do with it or share it with. The moral issue of whether to share it or not, obviously is impacted by the contents. In this case, one or more of the freelancers felt the content needed to be shared with the fans.

My question is, where is the ban on posting private correspondence in the ToS?

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I can see the religious thing as being against the ToS, but unlike RPG.net, there's no instruction against posting private emails. Also, there's nothing saying you can be banned for being suspected of leaking Shadowrun material; but according to the first post in this thread, that's exactly what happened.

I'm confused. Are there other rules we should be aware of?

[hobgoblin]

i say we point the hose on supposedly white horse frank is riding around on.

it would not surprise me the least that it turns out to be painted...

[Bob Lord of Evil]

You know over the years I have been required to sign something known as a NDA...(Non Disclosure Agreement) and I am betting the individual or individuals that requested Frank act as proxy had signed one as well.

So...yeah somebody(s) intentionally bypassed their NDA...they have every reason to be worried about being blacklisted within the industry.

[Cain]

You know over the years I have been required to sign something known as a NDA...(Non Disclosure Agreement) and I am betting the individual or individuals that requested Frank act as proxy had signed one as well.

So...yeah somebody(s) intentionally bypassed their NDA...they have every reason to be worried about being blacklisted within the industry.

You have a point, but that would depend on what's specifically covered in the NDA. If it didn't cover the material they were working on, they might be safe.

Could I ask any freelancers here what exactly is and isn't covered by the Catalyst NDA? Does it cover communication about payments, or does it cover all emails and forum posts?