The CGL situation p3 Options

[crizh]

1.
to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.

Nope, that's pretty much what I thought it meant. You have no business reprimanding me for expressing my opinion.

[Ol' Scratch]

Nope, that's pretty much what I thought it meant. You have no business reprimanding me for expressing my opinion.

Yet you seem to have trouble doing the same. Curious how that works. That said, considering this is a discussion board, I most certainly do have the right to voice disapproval of anything and everything you say if I so choose. Kind of goes hand-in-hand with discussions.

[D2F]

Interestingly enough, I made my own set up "templates" i use for creating new characters, as I tend to favor the same type of cyberware, the same types of weapons with their modification and the "basic equipment".

I am pretty sure a lot of other players do just the same. It allows for a set number of build points to calculate, instead of having to add it up all over again each time.

[crizh]

Yet you seem to have trouble doing the same. Curious how that works.

The closest I came to reprimanding you before now was when you reply to my post on the previous page and selected the first section, criticized it and ignored the subsequent section that had clearly addressed that criticism.

Ignoring part of someone's argument to pursue your own smacks to me of spoiling for a fight.

And to not ignore your last actual argument, I did point out that the 'condensing' metaphor was just that and not a model.

A Reader's Digest version of LOTR is clearly a derivative work and infringes copyright if not licensed.

Your example was clearly a derivative work. A similar reworking of, even a few paragraphs of, Philosopher's Stone with a few extra words inserted into every sentence and a few name changes would get you in substantial hot water.

[knasser]

Using an example you gave earlier:

"Gear Package 1: Barret Sniper Rifle, APDS Ammo, Smartlink, folding stock,
Armour Jacket w. Helmet, integrated commlink (Response 4, Signal 5, System 4,
Firewall 4. - Cost: 18,000¥"

To rewrite that and completely avoid any copyright issues is as simple as:

"Sniper Equipment Bundle [18,000¥]
This bundle includes: Barret Sniper Rifle (with Folding Stock and Smartlink),
APDS (50 rounds), and an Armor Jacket (with Integrated Commlink [Response 4,
Signal 5, System 4, and Firewall 4]).

Ah no. Changing the formatting and writing "this bundle includes" at the start doesn't really change anything. I'm certain that would still fall under copyright. You'd need to change the actual bundle which is crizh's point. For fluff, content can be preserved (within parameters). For a particular list of items, it cannot. You have to produce a different list.

[Stahlseele]

Ok you two, either you settle this like men(snowballs at 10 feet) or you start ignoring each other.
By the way, both Frank and Bull have been banned on rpg.net. for not playing nice with each other.
Don't want this to happen to both of you. You are both respected members of this board right?

[crizh]

By the way, both Frank and Bull have been banned on rpg.net. for not playing nice with each other.

Seriously?

That's harsh, I know I see Bull's name over there a lot so that is unfortunate.

They are a bit touchy right enough...

Condolences to Bull and Frank, I know if I got banned here I would be at a loss to find a good way to prevaricate.

I'm supposedly packing for a holiday in France as we speak.

[knasser]

By the way, both Frank and Bull have been banned on rpg.net. for not playing nice with each other.

Really? That's bad. They're both very informative and they have as much right to be heard as anyone else. I'd sooner the rough and tumble Redmond Barrens of Dumpshock to the "Happiness is Mandatory" Alpha Complex of some other forums any time.

That said - Funk and Crizh - you're both long time members and long-time Shadowrunners. Can't you find some peace here? It's not nice to call someone's post asinine when they're making a reasonable point. And crizh has just been through a three page argument about possession with me so certainly doesn't deserve another thread war so soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

K.

[Stahlseele]

Seriously?

That's harsh, I know I see Bull's name over there a lot so that is unfortunate.

They are a bit touchy right enough...

Condolences to Bull and Frank, I know if I got banned here I would be at a loss to find a good way to prevaricate.

I'm supposedly packing for a holiday in France as we speak.

OK, you're a bit less respected now for chosing france *snickers* ^^
But yes, if i got banned here, i would be HELLA bored right now too . .

[Ol' Scratch]

Ah no. Changing the formatting and writing "this bundle includes" at the start doesn't really change anything. I'm certain that would still fall under copyright. You'd need to change the actual bundle which is crizh's point. For fluff, content can be preserved (within parameters). For a particular list of items, it cannot. You have to produce a different list.

Uhm, no. The contents of the bundle is absolutely not the ownership of the author. That's just an absurd thing to say. It's also not a derivative work (God bless armchair lawyers); writing a sequel to the Hobbit, for example, is a derivative work. A derivative work requires the inclusion of significant copyrightable material. Listing a bunch of gear that already exists in the game is a far cry from that and, in fact, the author of the original bundle is closer to having to deal with derivative work issues than the rewrite is to him/her. It's like trying to convince someone that if they write about it being time to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, they just created a derivative work of this. Which is equally as absurd. And even if none of this was accurate, a highly litigious company like Wizards of the Coast would be suing just about every RPG gaming company in history for deriative work/copyright issues and winning.

People have some really weird ideas about copyright laws. Fair use is far and away more powerful than these same people realize, and covers a large percentage of the things they go on and on about being protected.

That said, those packages you listed sort of sucked anyway. If I were responsible for redoing it, I'd definitely include a better selection of gear. Not that it matters. This is just a side comment.

You are both respected members of this board right?

Wait, what? Since when?

[crizh]

It's cool, this time next week I'm going to be lying on a beach on the Cote d'Azur pissed of my face on Creme de Cassis (or Frambois) and having a whale of a time.

[Bull]

It's fine. We were picking at each other a bit too much. RPGnet was on it's 2nd iteration of this particular thread as well, having closed one down already. I knew I was pushing some buttons, and while I tried to be diplomatic about it (Frank slightly less so, as is his style), the fact was we were both just butting heads and had really stopped contributing in any meaningful way to the discussion.

I'm more amused than anything else, though it does annoy me a bit, because I talk comics and TV shows there a lot. It's only a suspension, by Dumpshocks terms, as a note, as it's temporary. One month for both of us.

Bull

[Stahlseele]

Wait, what? Since when?

since quite some years.
even if you're not too happy with what i wrote in the other thread, you still are.
both long time member and active poster too.

[crizh]

OK, you're a bit less respected now for chosing france *snickers* ^^

We're up to our oxters in snow here right now so the South of France will be like travelling to Mars.

To be fair my German is a lot better than my French and my German is pretty rubbish.

[Stahlseele]

*jealous*
we had some weeks of snow, i wish it were some months more ._.
well, sounding german ain't too hard. Look at Charlie Chaplin in the great dictator *snickers* ^^

[crizh]

*jealous*
we had some weeks of snow, i wish it were some months more ._.

Conclusive evidence that all Germans are mental.

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[Stahlseele]

Do you know how many YEARS it's been since i saw snoe fore more than some hours to days?
And more snow than 2 fingers width worth? ;_; I LIKE snow. Winter all in all to be honest.

It's fine. We were picking at each other a bit too much. RPGnet was on it's 2nd iteration of this particular thread as well, having closed one down already. I knew I was pushing some buttons, and while I tried to be diplomatic about it (Frank slightly less so, as is his style), the fact was we were both just butting heads and had really stopped contributing in any meaningful way to the discussion.

I'm more amused than anything else, though it does annoy me a bit, because I talk comics and TV shows there a lot. It's only a suspension, by Dumpshocks terms, as a note, as it's temporary. One month for both of us.

Bull

Eh, in my eyes, they are way too strict over there anyway . . way more than even on the CBT boards . .

[crizh]

It's been a good twenty years since we had proper snow.

We've sure made up for it this year. Trouble is we ain't Canadian so we suck at dealing with it. You have no idea how many car wrecks I've seen in the last few months.

[Stahlseele]

oh i can.
last good snow has been 10 to 15 years over here too.
this city was DEAD for several days. panicky people <.<
global warming, my fat white ass, this was the first real winter in several years.
on the other hand, this was the first real winter in several years . .

[crizh]

Anyway.....

Time to look busy, before the wife gets home from work..

[D2F]

global warming, my fat white ass, this was the first real winter in several years.
on the other hand, this was the first real winter in several years . .

You are aware of the difference between "weather" and "climate", right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Grinder]

As much as Homer Simpson is, it seems. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Stahlseele]

You are aware of the difference between "weather" and "climate", right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

i chose to ignore it for the sake of funny ^^

[Cergorach]

Germans are mental, most neighbors are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Scots think that 'proper' snow is six feet of the stuff, being cold enough for their balls to freeze of in their kilts and a 'warm' drink is two liters of good whiskey. They're almost as nuts as Russians, for they don't even wear kilts and replace the whiskey with vodka.

So... This has moved pretty much offtopic, on the other hand, it's the first of April, so it's expected (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[fistandantilus4....]

This is a big nature vs nurture for me. I've got scottish roots, but I'm from California. I hate the snow, but I love vodka and whiskey (in that order).

Uhh... I mean.... back on topic yous! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)