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FrankTrollman
post Apr 6 2010, 10:06 AM
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So Loren Coleman contacted me with a request that I think is pretty reasonable. So I'm passing it on to the dumpshock community. The fact is, there are two people who are in the public eye to one degree or another who are named Loren Coleman. And neither one of them likes it when they are mistaken for the other. This got touched on in the original thread directly, but nearly two thousand posts later and some sub thread lockages, this statement is hard to find. So here we go:

The ongoing discussion about Loren Coleman, who is amongst the slightly less than ten owners of InMediaRes LLC (due to some shady ownership transfer documents, it's not clear that anyone knows exactly how many owners IMR has), is in all cases the person we are talking about on this board and during the ongoing scandal involving Catalyst Game Labs (an imprint of IMR) and their refusal to pay contracted royalties and wages to creditor companies and their employees. He has been writing licensed fiction since 1997, and his wikipedia entry lists him as Loren L. Coleman.

This in no way refers to the Cryptozoologist named Loren Coleman. There has been some confusion about this, in no way helped by the fact that the Loren Coleman we are talking about in this ongoing scandal is listed in his bio at Fantastic Fiction as having contributed to a book entitled "Mothman and Other Curious Encounters," while the cryptozoologist Loren Coleman appears to be the person who actually wrote that book. The cryptozoologist was born in 1947 and studies zoology and anthropology, and does investigations into rare creatures and urban legends. He is, completely irrelevant to the ongoing travails of Shadowrun, Battletech, Cthulhutech, and Eclipse Phase. The cryptozoologist from Virginia at no point voluntarily withheld royalty payments to WildFire LLC, Posthuman Studios, or Topps Inc., nor did he ever have any such royalty payments to make. He did not voluntarily decline to write checks to his employees in contravention of their contracts, nor does he have freelance employees whom he is required to pay. He did not take unscheduled cash withdrawals from a company in which he is only part owner, nor did he sell the same portions of a company he was part owner in to more than one person and pocket the difference.

Indeed, if anyone from here is sending nasty grams to Loren Coleman, the cryptozoologist from Virginia over this unfolding crisis, they need to stop doing that. Because he is a different person. The cryptozoologist lives in Portland, Maine. The man at the center of a web of corruption inside Catalyst Game Labs lives in Washington State. The cryptozoologist used to do anthropology at Brandeis, the guy who took investment money to start Holostreets and then never authorized payment to a programmer to make that happen was in the United States Navy. They are, and always have been, completely different people.

-Frank
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:08 AM
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LOL?
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:18 AM
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Thanks Frank ^^
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:25 AM
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Dear Loren Cryptozoologist Coleman,

While I am as sorry as any sensible member of this internet community that you received attacks you did in no way deserve, maybe this is an opportunity for you as well, to study the habits and biology of the legendary creature commonly referred to as Internet Troll. While the circumstances no doubt are unfortunate, it may lead to interesting opportunities for your future research once you find that Mapinguari and a Rat King (are there real Rat Kings?).

Also, given the nature of this game, it got *me* interested in *your* work, which means you just sold a copy of Cryptozoology: Out of Time Place Scale (via amazon, paperback). I am personally rather interested in cryptozoology. So, see, dear Loren C. Coleman, something good came out of this, at least. Unless they never paid you for this book, of course.

Finally, I congratulate you for establishing the museum of yours in Portland, Maine (where else).

Have a nice day.
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:28 AM
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The ongoing discussion about Loren Coleman, who is amongst the slightly less than ten owners of InMediaRes LLC (due to some shady ownership transfer documents, it's not clear that anyone knows exactly how many owners IMR has)

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nor did he sell the same portions of a company he was part owner in to more than one person and pocket the difference.

(...)

the guy who took investment money to start Holostreets and then never authorized payment to a programmer to make that happen

In the spirit of Mr. Loren C. Coleman:

Ftaghn!

That is all there is left to say about Loren L. Coleman.
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:43 AM
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He had to be living in Maine, of course.
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post Apr 6 2010, 10:47 AM
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Maine. Kinda like this.
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post Apr 6 2010, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Apr 6 2010, 11:47 AM) *
Maine. Kinda like this.


Cute, in a mild case of brain damage kind of way.
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post Apr 6 2010, 11:12 AM
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Maine. Where Steven Kings: IT is set O.o
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post Apr 6 2010, 01:13 PM
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Stahlseele, you will discover that many Stephen King Novels are set in Maine or at least pay a visit there. Comes with the fact that he lives there, i guess (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Apr 6 2010, 01:17 PM
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Are Loren L. Coleman's royalty payments to Loren Coleman current?
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post Apr 6 2010, 01:52 PM
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Wow, Loren L. Coleman co-wrote Chronomancer for AD&D? I hope the IRS gets a hold of him before my old DM does. The things I did with that book, looking back I feel like a bit of a bastard.
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post Apr 6 2010, 01:58 PM
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And I have to say that I'm a HUGE fan of the OTHER Loren Coleman. His website, http://www.cryptomundo.com/, is fantastic. He approaches the subject of cryptozoology in a scientific and skeptical way while keeping an open mind. The general readership has the same approach. Furthermore, they are "true" cryptozoologists in that they are interested in more than bigfoot. Any previously unknown animal is fair game, even if it is some tiny South American tree frog.

If you've never visited cryptomundo, please do. It would be a great way to say "Sorry for the misunderstanding" AND I bet you'll love the site. If nothing else, you'll find some great inspiration for your campaigns!

PS: Thanks for posting this, Frank.
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post Apr 6 2010, 02:03 PM
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Funny story: the other Loren Coleman (cryptozoologist) actually got a mention in Runner's Companion in association with his work on yetis.
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post Apr 6 2010, 02:29 PM
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Cryptozoologist Loren Coleman actually contacted Catalyst right around the time the company went for the SR/BT license, asking that they be clear when referring to Catalyst/IMR's Loren Coleman as "Loren L. Coleman."
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post Apr 6 2010, 03:22 PM
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Yes, yes, that's all well and good. But the real question here is whether the correct plural of "Loren Coleman" is "Loren Colemans," "Lorens Coleman," or "Lorens Colemans." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)
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post Apr 6 2010, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 6 2010, 04:12 AM) *
Maine. Where Steven Kings: IT is set O.o


While I applaud the reference to IT (which is my favorite of King's standalone works), I would be remiss if I failed to point out that the bulk of King's fiction is set in Maine.
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post Apr 6 2010, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (Tanegar @ Apr 6 2010, 05:22 PM) *
Yes, yes, that's all well and good. But the real question here is whether the correct plural of "Loren Coleman" is "Loren Colemans," "Lorens Coleman," or "Lorens Colemans." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)


Or Loren(s) Colemen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 6 2010, 04:32 PM
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This thread is so exactly why I love Dumpshock. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)
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post Apr 6 2010, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Apr 6 2010, 06:32 PM) *
This thread is so exactly why I love Dumpshock. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

Innuendo? ^^
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post Apr 6 2010, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Blade @ Apr 6 2010, 11:31 AM) *
Or Loren(s) Colemen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Personally, I lean toward Lorenii Colemanen, but maybe that's just me.
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post Apr 6 2010, 05:29 PM
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Possibly uninteresting, dull, and irrelevant information-
There appear to be two IMRs:
The first is INMEDIARES PRODUCTIONS: DUNS number: 020543613: 10124 3RD PL SE, LAKE STEVENS, WA.
The second is INMEDIARES PRODUCTIONS, LLC: DUNS number: 620826110: 303 91ST AVE NE, LAKE STEVENS, WA.
Source: publicly available information at dnb.com, zillow.com, & "the google."
The first is a modest home in a middle class neighborhood. The second appears to be a PO Box.
Thought that might shed some light on the unclear ownership. I'm not sure which is dba CGL?
Anyone wishing to obtain more complete ownership information could purchase a report from dnb.com or hoovers.com.
Please be aware, if you purchase said information it may or may not be classified as publicly available. You may wish to speak with the moderators before posting.
I really need to get off these boards. It's rather addictive and unhealthy for me.
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post Apr 6 2010, 05:30 PM
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From Loren "The Cryptozoologist" Coleman's website:

A Tale of Two Lorens

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post Apr 6 2010, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (augmentin @ Apr 6 2010, 12:29 PM) *
Possibly uninteresting, dull, and irrelevant information-
There appear to be two IMRs:
The first is INMEDIARES PRODUCTIONS: DUNS number: 020543613: 10124 3RD PL SE, LAKE STEVENS, WA.
The second is INMEDIARES PRODUCTIONS, LLC: DUNS number: 620826110: 303 91ST AVE NE, LAKE STEVENS, WA.
Source: publicly available information at dnb.com, zillow.com, & "the google."
The first is a modest home in a middle class neighborhood. The second appears to be a PO Box.
Thought that might shed some light on the unclear ownership. I'm not sure which is dba CGL?
Anyone wishing to obtain more complete ownership information could purchase a report from dnb.com or hoovers.com.
Please be aware, if you purchase said information it may or may not be classified as publicly available. You may wish to speak with the moderators before posting.
I really need to get off these boards. It's rather addictive and unhealthy for me.


Yes, InMediaRes Productions uses a Post Mail Box (PMB) to receive mail (the 303 91st Ave address). The "office" is in the first home of the Colemans (which they retained and began "leasing" to the company after moving into their much larger, custom built mansion that was started in... 2007... ahem). The office is in a residential home in a residential neighborhood which is not zoned for business, to the best of my knowledge.

It is the same IMR Pro.
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post Apr 6 2010, 05:53 PM
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Jesus, I sure hope the IRS did not audition Loren C. [which stands for 'the Cryptozoologist', just to clear up any confusion!] Coleman when they actually meant Loren L. Coleman. That'd be scary. If so, I'd wonder why nobody had noticed they were actualy in Maine, and not Washington State, which is on the opposite side of the nation.

And I am SO keeping this me&yeti pic for size and looks reference for sasquatches.
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