GE Autocannons and firing them... Options

[Jonny Reload]

In Arsenal, I was looking at the GE Autocannons under Vehicle Weapons, it states the Autocannons use the rules for Miniguns. My question is under the rules for Miniguns, it doesn't state you need to waste a simple action to get the barrels rotating. It only states that under the Vindicator section, do Autocannons need to spend a simple action to get the barrels rotating or can you just press and destroy?

[nezumi]

Autocannons have only a single barrel, so no, you don't need an action for that. You do, however, need the weapon to be braced, since it's too large for a metahuman (except, possibly, trolls) to haul around and actually use.

[Jonny Reload]

Oh pfff, screw that that. It's mounted on a vehicle, I'm not even gonna try to start min/maxing how to recoil compensate a -15 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Dumori]

Oh its easy-ish XD High Str. gyro-harness, foot anchors, gas vent and what ever else can but put on a minigun should be 10-12 min. Though autocannons cant made man-portable by RAW.

[hobgoblin]

just watch out for the doubling of uncompensated recoil when firing heavy weapons...

[Stahlseele]

Oh its easy-ish XD High Str. gyro-harness, foot anchors, gas vent and what ever else can but put on a minigun should be 10-12 min. Though autocannons cant made man-portable by RAW.

Even if your "Man" can lift and carry and throw Motorcycles? O.o
See Trolls/Metavariants/Ghouls and Drakes for example. Maybe even Shape-Shifters.
And yeah, Recoil-Compensation of 12 means still missing 3 points which are doubles to 6.
Still a big dent in the dice pool . .

[X-Kalibur]

Lifting/throwing is very different though, you aren't holding it for a long period of time in a braced position and taking recoil.

[Udoshi]

Oh pfff, screw that that. It's mounted on a vehicle, I'm not even gonna try to start min/maxing how to recoil compensate a -15 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I keep on hearing/remembering a rule that says vehicle mounted weapons don't suffer recoil (which is why the not-so-optional arsenal optional rule of RC=body exists), but IS there actually a ruling that says so?

[Faraday]

Even if your "Man" can lift and carry and throw Motorcycles? O.o
See Trolls/Metavariants/Ghouls and Drakes for example. Maybe even Shape-Shifters.
And yeah, Recoil-Compensation of 12 means still missing 3 points which are doubles to 6.
Still a big dent in the dice pool . .

Yeah, your choice of +15 DV or a -15 to *their* dodge dice is, like, nothing. Why would you even bother?

[Udoshi]

Even if your "Man" can lift and carry and throw Motorcycles? O.o
See Trolls/Metavariants/Ghouls and Drakes for example. Maybe even Shape-Shifters.
And yeah, Recoil-Compensation of 12 means still missing 3 points which are doubles to 6.
Still a big dent in the dice pool . .

Give it to a Cyborg. Between their high strength(and boostable with cyberlimb strength enhancements), and a Body Stabilizer, getting 3 more points of RC shouldn't be too hard - hitting strength 14 can handle those last 3 points of RC.

... of course, you could just put it on a cyborg with a Weapon Mount and a Gyro Link(turret required), and do the same thing while -sprinting- about at no penalty.

[Dumori]

That body 10 combat drone (for get the name) is nasty for that. I mean when you have a 11 base DV autocannon for one arm and the other has an inbuilt AR/GL all using the same skill and plus its quite possible to ad a spur or such in to the mix. On top of 20 hardened armor and such makes for a very nasty drone.

[Dumori]

I keep on hearing/remembering a rule that says vehicle mounted weapons don't suffer recoil (which is why the not-so-optional arsenal optional rule of RC=body exists), but IS there actually a ruling that says so?

Read arsenal. Just before the rules on weapon mounts iirc

[Jonny Reload]

I keep on hearing/remembering a rule that says vehicle mounted weapons don't suffer recoil (which is why the not-so-optional arsenal optional rule of RC=body exists), but IS there actually a ruling that says so?

Page 105, Arsenal

[Udoshi]

Page 105, Arsenal

That's the one I knew about. Rather, the first line of it: "Theoretically, vehicle weapons mounted in a weapon mount do not suffer negative recoil modifiers". Great. Now where's the rule that says -that- is true. Is it in the core book somewhere? Or was it one of the rules taken out in Anniversary edition. Because as far as I can tell, without Arsenal, vehicles get no recoil-love at -all-.

[Faraday]

That's the one I knew about. Rather, the first line of it: "Theoretically, vehicle weapons mounted in a weapon mount do not suffer negative recoil modifiers". Great. Now where's the rule that says -that- is true. Is it in the core book somewhere? Or was it one of the rules taken out in Anniversary edition. Because as far as I can tell, without Arsenal, vehicles get no recoil-love at -all-.

That's because, theoretically, they don't need any. They just ignore recoil and go about their day. The point is that a 5 ton vehicle isn't going to care about the puny forces emitted by a 10 pound assault rifle.

[Faraday]

Needs less double post.

[D2F]

Autocannons have only a single barrel, so no, you don't need an action for that. You do, however, need the weapon to be braced, since it's too large for a metahuman (except, possibly, trolls) to haul around and actually use.

It is reasonable to assume that the GE autocannons from arsenal are actually multi-barreled rotary autocannons. Very much like this one!

[Jonny Reload]

It is reasonable to assume that the GE autocannons from arsenal are actually multi-barreled rotary autocannons. Very much like this one!

Actually, under the the Light GE Autocannon, it specifically states it is similar in model to the Vindicator Minigun.... I'd assume their talking about the barrel system otherwise why even mention it.

[D2F]

Actually, under the the Light GE Autocannon, it specifically states it is similar in model to the Vindicator Minigun.... I'd assume their talking about the barrel system otherwise why even mention it.

That's why I said it's reasonable to assume (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Saint Sithney]

Actually, under the the Light GE Autocannon, it specifically states it is similar in model to the Vindicator Minigun.... I'd assume their talking about the barrel system otherwise why even mention it.

Because It can only fire FA bursts at 20 rounds/pass?

As for why it may not be a gatling system such as the Avenger, perhaps this picture might best explain it. I dunno though. I only know that it never mentions the need to spin up to speed, so I always pictured it like the old double-barreled AA guns. You know, where it fires from two independent barrels using two independent mechanisms to give it twice as long to recoil each time. Those 30mm suckers are so big, it's just silly.

[Stahlseele]

No, Silly is what you can get up to with reasonable firing speed.
8.8cm FLAK/PAK for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_GMW < = there's a nice example of silly that might pass as an Autocannon.
40mm fully automatic grenade launcher.

[Sengir]

No, Silly is what you can get up to with reasonable firing speed.
8.8cm FLAK/PAK for example.

The 88 was still loaded manually, though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


But the word "autocannon" really can mean a lot of things: Gatling guns, revolver cannons, chainguns, gas/recoil-operated systems with one or more barrels...and while probably most people agree that something like the PzH 2000 (which even has a burst-fire mode for three shells) or naval artillery with autoloaders does not qualify as autocannon, drawing the exact line between "autocannon" and "cannon with autoloader" is difficult.

[Stahlseele]

And it's STILL firing pretty fast.

[Sengir]

Pre-tuned by German engineers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Building Killing Stuff. German Engineering Corps. We are the best at what we do, and what we do ain't nice!