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post Feb 16 2004, 12:04 AM
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Now, I'll start off by saying this, I have my share of character that fall into the following, but they're rare.

Why does it seem, these days, that every character out there is packing two or three types, or even layers of armor? Armor is good, it's cool, it's grand; but when every joe dandy out there's got a form fitting full bodysuit, and a long jacket over top, well I think things have gone a bit far.

Consider that every point of ballistic armor above a character's Quickness imposes a one point Target Number modifier on all Quickness tests (Layering Armor, p. 285 SR3). That means the more armor you wear, the less effective you are in a firefight. Sure, if Mr. SecMan shoots you, you're less likely to get hurt, but you're less likely to even hit him at all. Then consider that for every two points of Ballistic OR Impact armor above your character's Quickness, your Combat Pool is reduced by a die (Armor and Combat Pool p. 285 SR3). This means less chance to dodge, hit, resist... hell, you start to suck more in combat period.

Now, numbers aside for the moment, consideration number three: the social implications. It's been delved into at great length that obvious cyberware can put people ill at ease. Can the same not be said of armor? Sure, most armor's concealable, but to a point. Wearing form fitting with secure clothes and an armored vest isn't exactly easy to hide. Let's say they see through the guise though. It's safe to asume anyone wearing armor's not exactly just at the reception desk for an appointment, neh?

Whatever happened to the days where planning was key; where if a gun had to be pulled the run was hosed? Seems like people are more content now tanking themselves up and saying `hell with it, they question me, I waste 'em.`

For those of you who are thinking -well isn't the only way to be safe to layer armor?- you're mistaken my friends.

For starters, we have Patrial Cover (Tanged Combat Modifiers p. 112 SR3). That's right kids, when the going gets tough, duck behind something. Even that simple modifier gives your opponent a +4 TN to hit you. Now go figure, when you exercise your brain, your chances of not even getting hit grow. The expanded rules for cover (Cover Modifiers p. 97 CC) make things even more fun. The better you hide, the better your odds of not getting hit. Sure, you incur a small penalty to hit yourself, but nothing compared to your opponent.

If your GM is down with the rules, and likes to allow optionals, then you're in even better luck. The more athletic you are, the better you can dodge my friends. Each sucess on an Althetics test, or appropriate specialty of Athletics, can gain you a bonus die to dodge (Athetics and Dodging p. 97 CC).

Example Time:

Killroy the Merc and LiquidSmooth are cornered in an alleyway by a pair of Lone Star cops. Both runners have a Quickness of 5, Althetics of 4, and a Combat Pool of 7. Both are unwounded when it comes time for the 'Star to open fire.

Killroy stood defiantly in the middle of the alleyway when his turn rolled around. His full formfitting armor (4/1), Secure Clothing (3/0), and Secure Long Coat (4/2) shall surely protect him. Of course, having a total Ballistic score of 11, and only a Quickness of 5, he had a +6 TN to all of his shots at the cops, and missed rather soundly, despite burning 3 dice to try and hit them. Now, when the cops fire at him, his Combat Pool only has a single die in it! He would have had 4, but since his Balistic rating is 6 higher than his Quickness, he loses (6/2) 3 dice from it. He'd better be glad the 'Star aren't packing higher powered weapons.

Smooth, meanwhile, has ducked behind some detrius left in the alley. He knows his Real Leather (0/2) Jacket's not going to hold up too well under the Thunderbolt's wrath. The debris doesn't cover him even halfway up, but it's still enough to give his attacker a +2 modifier on his attack. When it comes down to it, Smooth uses the same 4 dice out of his combat pool Killroy would have to dodge, as well, he uses his Athletics to gain a possible addition of eight dice. Odds are, the Lone Star cop won't even hit him, and he'll still have 3 dice left over to supplement his attack, and only a -1 TN from the cover modifier.


Smooth may have to be a bit more paranoid, but that's what running's about. The constant knowledge that something could go wrong, but the ability to handle it in any situation. At least he's not going to have to worry about being useless without his wealth of armor.


Oh, and for an even more fun example, take Wavewalker, my character for the High Seas game. He's an adept with a combat pool of 7, and 10 dice in Athletics. Sure, he doesn't wear armor, but you try and shoot the guy.
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- Digital Heroin   Armored to the Teeth   Feb 16 2004, 12:04 AM
- - Siege   1. 10 dice in Athletics doesn't help if your ...   Feb 16 2004, 12:15 AM
- - Digital Heroin   QUOTE 10 dice in Athletics doesn't help if you...   Feb 16 2004, 12:22 AM
- - crazyivans   If I am not mistaken, Doesn't FF Body Armour p...   Feb 16 2004, 12:26 AM
- - Shanshu Freeman   QUOTE (crazyivans) If I am not mistaken, Doesn...   Feb 16 2004, 12:31 AM
- - Digital Heroin   Ok, one research goodie missed. Still, there's...   Feb 16 2004, 12:33 AM
- - Jason Farlander   Form-fitting body armor does not factor into eithe...   Feb 16 2004, 01:03 AM
- - Digital Heroin   You're missing out on the Armor Clothing in th...   Feb 16 2004, 01:08 AM
- - toturi   If putting on SO MUCH armour is verboten, then don...   Feb 16 2004, 01:10 AM
- - Fortune   One would think that if it was that unfashionable ...   Feb 16 2004, 01:11 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Furthermore, Athletics only helps Dodging if you t...   Feb 16 2004, 01:11 AM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Digital Heroin) You're missing out on t...   Feb 16 2004, 01:23 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Also, and this is a role-playing only aspect, FFBA...   Feb 16 2004, 01:32 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Also, and this is a role-playin...   Feb 16 2004, 01:34 AM
- - Siege   Heat stroke can be a real pain. -Siege   Feb 16 2004, 01:39 AM
- - toturi   Two ways you can look at it... Ever been in a dese...   Feb 16 2004, 01:42 AM
- - Digital Heroin   If it covered your head, it wouldn't be too co...   Feb 16 2004, 01:47 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   The FFBA full suit comes with a hood, but it's...   Feb 16 2004, 02:07 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Feb 16 20...   Feb 16 2004, 02:32 AM
- - John Campbell   Depends what kind of neighborhood Mary Jane's ...   Feb 16 2004, 03:10 AM
- - Siege   QUOTE (John Campbell) Depends what kind of neighbo...   Feb 16 2004, 03:15 AM
- - Fortune   Not every corper lives the Arcology life. In fact,...   Feb 16 2004, 05:27 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Two ways you can look at it... Ever been in ...   Feb 16 2004, 05:31 AM
- - toturi   I lived in places that put the humidity in humid. ...   Feb 16 2004, 07:19 AM
- - Hecatonchires   Umm... hardened military armor anyone? I mean dam...   Feb 16 2004, 07:53 AM
- - Shanshu Freeman   QUOTE (Hecatonchires) Umm... hardened military arm...   Feb 16 2004, 08:20 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Hecatonchires) If you ever want to piss off...   Feb 16 2004, 08:51 AM
- - Hecatonchires   Good point. I guess you could twink that too tho...   Feb 16 2004, 08:59 AM
- - Suenert   1 Hardened Millitary Armor Avail: 18/4 weeks Price...   Feb 16 2004, 09:36 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE I lived in places that put the humidity in h...   Feb 16 2004, 02:07 PM
- - Siege   I guess it depends on how many people are shooting...   Feb 16 2004, 02:09 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (TheScamp)So you're saying that you...   Feb 16 2004, 02:19 PM
- - TheScamp   Not that sweat does a hell of a lot in 90% humidit...   Feb 16 2004, 02:47 PM
- - Neon Tiger   7 points of ballistic armor isn't even really ...   Feb 16 2004, 02:57 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (TheScamp) Not that sweat does a hell of a l...   Feb 16 2004, 03:00 PM
- - TheOneRonin   I live southern Louisiana, and I can vouche for th...   Feb 16 2004, 03:24 PM
- - toturi   It doesn't matter how much armour I wear excep...   Feb 16 2004, 04:25 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Once you get to the heat stroke, it's no longe...   Feb 16 2004, 05:29 PM
- - Siege   QUOTE (Neon Tiger) 7 points of ballistic armor isn...   Feb 16 2004, 05:33 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) Once you get to the he...   Feb 16 2004, 05:55 PM
- - Raptor1033   what about that heat venting clothing that sports ...   Feb 16 2004, 06:17 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Jason Farlander)The description of FFBA spe...   Feb 16 2004, 06:33 PM
- - moosegod   Anyways- If the team is too heavily armored, just ...   Feb 16 2004, 06:39 PM
- - sable twilight   QUOTE (Suenert) 1 Hardened Millitary Armor Avail: ...   Feb 16 2004, 06:40 PM
- - LoseAsDirected   Why wouldn't a runner wear FFBA and a Secure L...   Feb 16 2004, 07:40 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Jason Farlander...   Feb 16 2004, 07:54 PM
- - Siege   On daily wear, the Long Coat is great for offering...   Feb 16 2004, 08:21 PM
- - REM   QUOTE (Siege) On daily wear, the Long Coat is grea...   Feb 16 2004, 08:34 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Actually, having done swordwork in a long coat, th...   Feb 16 2004, 08:50 PM
- - Siege   Armored cloak? Check out "The Count", C...   Feb 16 2004, 08:52 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Neon Tiger) Son of Sam ... puts on his FFBA...   Feb 16 2004, 08:52 PM
- - k1tsune   Last week I was target-shooting in my trenchcoat. ...   Feb 16 2004, 09:06 PM
- - Neon Tiger   QUOTE (OurTeam) QUOTE (Neon Tiger @ Feb 16 20...   Feb 16 2004, 09:07 PM
- - LoseAsDirected   I also see nothing that says you CAN'T use 3 l...   Feb 16 2004, 09:11 PM
- - moosegod   *Directs everyone to the power armor thread. And ...   Feb 16 2004, 09:19 PM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (LoseAsDirected)I also see nothing that says...   Feb 16 2004, 09:23 PM
- - LoseAsDirected   And what page of what book did you get that rule f...   Feb 16 2004, 09:25 PM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (LoseAsDirected) And what page of what book ...   Feb 16 2004, 09:29 PM
- - Neon Tiger   I'd say it's House Rule™ time! So, ev...   Feb 16 2004, 09:30 PM
- - Siege   QUOTE (OurTeam) QUOTE (Neon Tiger @ Feb 16 20...   Feb 16 2004, 09:33 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Siege) Really Kage? I've never had a p...   Feb 16 2004, 09:34 PM
- - REM   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Siege @ Feb 16 2004...   Feb 16 2004, 09:39 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Not so sure about it being a cool look, and it als...   Feb 16 2004, 09:54 PM
- - moosegod   ... and hoping you don't get it caught when yo...   Feb 16 2004, 09:58 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Siege @ Feb 16 2004, 01:33 PM) The pro...   Feb 16 2004, 11:01 PM
- - Siege   QUOTE (OurTeam) QUOTE (Siege @ Feb 16 2004, 0...   Feb 16 2004, 11:02 PM
- - John Campbell   Sounds to me like you need to get a coat that fits...   Feb 16 2004, 11:03 PM
- - Siege   When I mentioned the length of a long coat as a po...   Feb 16 2004, 11:08 PM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Sounds to me like you need to get a coat tha...   Feb 16 2004, 11:11 PM
- - psyberian   Well and sometimes you just need to clam-shell up ...   Feb 16 2004, 11:16 PM
- - Siege   Instead of the Rapid Transit jumpsuit, look at the...   Feb 16 2004, 11:25 PM
- - moosegod   Yeah, but that should have some in-game effects. ...   Feb 16 2004, 11:59 PM
- - toturi   Ahhh, but the Winter Coverall doesn't come wit...   Feb 17 2004, 12:01 AM
- - Teulisch   There is an additional reason that multiple armor ...   Feb 17 2004, 12:18 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Teulisch) so, I can put non-conductive 5 on...   Feb 17 2004, 01:20 AM
- - Hecatonchires   No one has topped my combo yet. Is it possible th...   Feb 17 2004, 01:26 AM
- - toturi   Sigh... Vampire mage with assessories. Like the mi...   Feb 17 2004, 01:31 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Hecatonchires) (Juggernaut does not count a...   Feb 17 2004, 01:34 AM
- - Hecatonchires   Yes I am. Emphatically the Armadillo of Doom!   Feb 17 2004, 01:47 AM
- - toturi   Then it is in the 3rd Ed rules, man. 3rd ed Critte...   Feb 17 2004, 01:48 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Is it possible that the Troll/Military Armor...   Feb 17 2004, 01:51 AM
- - k1tsune   QUOTE (TheScamp) QUOTE Is it possible that the Tro...   Feb 17 2004, 01:59 AM
- - Hecatonchires   Sure he can. Just give him a sniper rifle, or mak...   Feb 17 2004, 02:00 AM
- - moosegod   I hate to say this... But you can get it on File ...   Feb 17 2004, 02:19 AM
- - Siege   QUOTE (toturi) Then it is in the 3rd Ed rules, man...   Feb 17 2004, 02:26 AM
- - toturi   Please, Siege. I've had my fill of puns for to...   Feb 17 2004, 02:27 AM
- - Siege   QUOTE (toturi) Please, Siege. I've had my fill...   Feb 17 2004, 02:28 AM
- - k1tsune   QUOTE (Siege) QUOTE (toturi @ Feb 17 2004, 02...   Feb 17 2004, 02:35 AM
- - Siege   QUOTE (k1tsune) QUOTE (Siege @ Feb 16 2004, 0...   Feb 17 2004, 02:36 AM
- - moosegod   And me. AND MY KNIFE! AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH...   Feb 17 2004, 02:36 AM
- - Siege   QUOTE (moosegod) And me. AND MY KNIFE! AAAARR...   Feb 17 2004, 02:38 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Hecatonchires)No one has topped my combo ye...   Feb 17 2004, 02:44 AM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (Layering Armor @ P285, SR3)... add th...   Feb 17 2004, 02:55 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Shadow) If they meant only two, they would ...   Feb 17 2004, 03:01 AM
- - Shadow   QUOTE More than one Just because the example only...   Feb 17 2004, 03:04 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Sure he can. Just give him a sniper rifle, o...   Feb 17 2004, 03:07 AM
- - John Campbell   Okay, here's the full quote: QUOTE (SR3 p.285)...   Feb 17 2004, 03:21 AM
- - Shadow   You may indeed be correct. I just don't think ...   Feb 17 2004, 03:34 AM
- - toturi   But it does not specify HOW to determine the highe...   Feb 17 2004, 03:36 AM
- - Zazen   It depends on which armor value you're calcula...   Feb 17 2004, 04:02 AM
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