CGL Speculation #5, It continues Options

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Did you read my post?

Yes...

I thought it was obvious that X should be the same in all parts of the equation, my apologies if it was not.

My point is that "X" could be anything from 1 to 20+, and that is an important part of the equation... If X is 1, then everyone loses... If X is 20, then everyone wins... the fact that it is a sliding scale means that for anything meaningful, you have to actually choose "X"

No, the win percentage changes. There is a mathematical relationship between CR and Level. Now obviously some characters will have trouble with some encounters and not others, which is why you look at average win percentage across a number of different challenges.

Exactly... but 1 against the CR is going to make the Challenge much more difficult than 4 against a particular CR... which was my point... the Challenge (and thus the mathematical formula) changes in direct proportion to the number of characters that oppose it.. so if a Single opponent goes up against the CR, then it is a more challenging fight, and the parity between the encounter and the character is altered...

In 3/3.5 wealth per level is in the DMG. I do not have the page number handy.

No, I understand that, but some gear is more powerful than other gear in the books (even within the given proce ranges), and some is more useful than others... which is entirely the point here... you can have sub-optimal gear chosen vs. optimal gear... so, which do you choose... I can probably pretty much guarantee that my ideas of what will be important will vary drastically from your idea... so for meaningful comparison, consensus must be reached to equip the characters towards parity if the resulting percentages are to mean anything...

Anyways...

Keep the Faith

[Cthulhudreams]

Yes...



My point is that "X" could be anything from 1 to 20+, and that is an important part of the equation... If X is 1, then everyone loses... If X is 20, then everyone wins... the fact that it is a sliding scale means that for anything meaningful, you have to actually choose "X"

I think you're missing the X against the CR as well, or maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. e.g. you put a level 5 character through CR 5 challenges, and a level 15 character through CR 15

Exactly... but 1 against the CR is going to make the Challenge much more difficult than 4 against a particular CR... which was my point... the Challenge (and thus the mathematical formula) changes in direct proportion to the number of characters that oppose it.. so if a Single opponent goes up against the CR, then it is a more challenging fight, and the parity between the encounter and the character is altered...

Yes, win percentage drops to 50. I noted this in my original post? I am not clear what you are not understanding here?

No, I understand that, but some gear is more powerful than other gear in the books (even within the given proce ranges), and some is more useful than others... which is entirely the point here... you can have sub-optimal gear chosen vs. optimal gear...

Sure! I am not sure why this is important, just as long as you remember it when you run the tests. I'm not going to run them for you, and the results need to have value for you as well.

If you aren't worried about being statistically significant, then no you don't.

Err, you can be statistically significant (95%) with a sample size of 10 in some circumstances (e.g. someone correctly calling a coin toss 10 times in a row). Why would I need to run 10,000 tests in those circumstances?

[Stahlseele]

Excuse me, i don't speak Cancer. Someone wanna translate that to Sprawl-Speak?

[Caine Hazen]

Guys, the DnD has gone WWWAAAYYYY off topic. Please open a thread in general gaming and continue the discussion there.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Guys, the DnD has gone WWWAAAYYYY off topic. Please open a thread in general gaming and continue the discussion there.

Point Taken, Caine Hazen...

Keep the Faith

[ketjak]

His post basically said: how could I forget you, you are an idiot. If that is not an insult, I don't know what is. And yeah I suspect people with histories get banned quicker, you know 3 strikes and you are out, or 57 strikes or whatever it is in this case.

On a side note the 3e fighter was roughly balanced with the 3e wizard. Could someone make a wizard and play a wizard at high levels that blew the righter out of the water sure, but any versatile class given too much leeway by the DM will do that. The problem with D&D is it did not have a defined setting that actually dealt with high level spells and effects, so most wizards could scry, teleport and kill all they wanted and the DM did nothing.

Oh, did Frank get banned because of an attack on me? If so, that's twice now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Yes, I viewed his response to me as an attack. Nearly everything Frank posted included an attack, though most of what he said was accurate though imprecise and was clearly the result of an owner or other involved person funneling him information. He was still unpleasant to interact with and read, though the information in his posts served a good purpose from the perspective of generating a large community discussion.

(FWIW, I recall the argument at ENWorld as one about damage output. There were crazy corner-case builds of 3.0 (this was pre-3.5) fighters that could dish over 600 points to a single target at twentieth level counting all iterative attacks. He attempted (again, IIRC) to redefine the conversation and was incredibly insulting while doing so, and the conversation went downhill from there. That he came to the then-small ENWorld with a rep from the WotC boards - which were wild, uncontrolled wildernesses filled with feral children in comparison - didn't help.)

- Ket

[Stahlseele]

I can see other people not liking his posting style.
Me, myself and i, we all thoroughly enjoy his postings.
Especially since we have to excercise not insubstantial ammounts of self control most of the time to not post like him for exactly that reason.
I cope by usually going for the silly postings. But Frank seems to be too serious for that escape route i guess. Don't know how often i got warnings & bans over on rpg.net for similar postings . .

[bluedragon7]

I just accepted a position as an HR & Finance manager for a gaming company this week.

Good to hear. I hope this works out for you.
I think/hope all others leaving CGL will also find a Job, maybe even with a new license holder for SR.

Actually i believe chances for freelancers getting payed in a regular fashion will also be much higher with a new licensee.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Sorry for my silence this week. I just accepted a position as an HR & Finance manager for a gaming company this week. I'm sure everyone can understand how hectic your first week at a new job can be!

I can't speak for David, but as for myself, I have decided to devote my energies more productively to succeeding at my new position than to continuing to dwell on what happened in my past position. Urgru has a very valid and good point. I am moving on and focusing on what the future holds.

I remain a huge SR fan, play in a weekly SR game, and hope to continue to be a writer for the game line. I consider many current and past writers good friends and look forward to working with them on more cool and fun projects in the future. I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

Congratulations Tiger Eyes...

Here's to seeing more about Netcat...

Keep the Faith

[Dread Moores]

Sorry for my silence this week. I just accepted a position as an HR & Finance manager for a gaming company this week. I'm sure everyone can understand how hectic your first week at a new job can be!

I can't speak for David, but as for myself, I have decided to devote my energies more productively to succeeding at my new position than to continuing to dwell on what happened in my past position. Urgru has a very valid and good point. I am moving on and focusing on what the future holds.

I remain a huge SR fan, play in a weekly SR game, and hope to continue to be a writer for the game line. I consider many current and past writers good friends and look forward to working with them on more cool and fun projects in the future. I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

Really glad to hear that, on all acounts (new job, moving on, and hopefully continuing with SR). Congrats.

[Larsine]

Sorry for my silence this week. I just accepted a position as an HR & Finance manager for a gaming company this week. I'm sure everyone can understand how hectic your first week at a new job can be!

I can't speak for David, but as for myself, I have decided to devote my energies more productively to succeeding at my new position than to continuing to dwell on what happened in my past position. Urgru has a very valid and good point. I am moving on and focusing on what the future holds.

I remain a huge SR fan, play in a weekly SR game, and hope to continue to be a writer for the game line. I consider many current and past writers good friends and look forward to working with them on more cool and fun projects in the future. I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

Congratulations on your new job. I'm happy to have worked with you, and I think you still owe me some cookies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Looking forwards to reading more SR material from you.

Lars

[Shinobi Killfist]

went OT sorry.

[Nemo]

Sorry for my silence this week. I just accepted a position as an HR & Finance manager for a gaming company this week. I'm sure everyone can understand how hectic your first week at a new job can be!

I can't speak for David, but as for myself, I have decided to devote my energies more productively to succeeding at my new position than to continuing to dwell on what happened in my past position. Urgru has a very valid and good point. I am moving on and focusing on what the future holds.

I remain a huge SR fan, play in a weekly SR game, and hope to continue to be a writer for the game line. I consider many current and past writers good friends and look forward to working with them on more cool and fun projects in the future. I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

Congratulations on your new job. And I would like to read more about Slamm-0! and Netcat.

[fistandantilus4....]

I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I hate it when good sub plots fall to the wayside because of Real Life. Congratulations!

[Stahlseele]

Who wrote that bit about Netcat finding her Net Cat?

[Cardul]

I remain a huge SR fan, play in a weekly SR game, and hope to continue to be a writer for the game line. I consider many current and past writers good friends and look forward to working with them on more cool and fun projects in the future. I mean, hey, I have to finish the Netcat and Pistons searching for Puck story... and Slamm-0! hasn't been forgotten, either...

So, are you saying that, if you knew you would be paid on time, you would continue freelancing for the current company and line developer?
(Asking because I am curious, and I like what stuff shows up that I believe is yours)

[Saint Sithney]

Gratz on the new job Ms. Harding. Good to see you've bounced back from your previous troubles.

[hermit]

Other artists haven't, though ...

[Jyster]

I appreciate that Frank Trollman broke the story on Loreman, and the information he provided helped me choose not to support Shadowrun anymore. If I had known that FASA and Fanpro were not paying the Freelancers I would have never bought all the books I did. A company shouldnt be helped out if they do not pay their employees.

PS
Frank is actually posting on another forum whinning how unfair his ban was over here on DS, and galvanizing the board on his unfair treatment over on DS. Yes, I believe that he probably had a few moderators who hated him and would censure him more than someone else. But in all fairness Frank insulted someone in each post he made. He attacked someones faith, insulted someones intelligence and the list goes on.

So Frank, please stop acting the martyr and his followers take a chill pill, he provoked to get his ban.

[Saint Sithney]

Other artists haven't, though ...

And she certainly didn't take the opportunity to dismiss any aspect of the current interpretation of events.
Not that she would need to with ketjak confirming the overall accuracy of the picture of events..

Oh well, I wish all the other payroll peoples a stress-free search for pleasant employment.

[fistandantilus4....]

Guys let's please keep moderation topics to the Bugs/News forum section.

[fistandantilus4....]

Guys let's please keep moderation topics to the Bugs/News forum section.

[hermit]

I appreciate that Frank Trollman broke the story on Loreman, and the information he provided helped me choose not to support Shadowrun anymore.

In all fairness, Jason Hardy is trying to get them paid ('them' including himself). As all real matters, this is not black or white.

[darthmord]

I appreciate that Frank Trollman broke the story on Loreman, and the information he provided helped me choose not to support Shadowrun anymore. If I had known that FASA and Fanpro were not paying the Freelancers I would have never bought all the books I did. A company shouldnt be helped out if they do not pay their employees.

PS
Frank is actually posting on another forum whinning how unfair his ban was over here on DS, and galvanizing the board on his unfair treatment over on DS. Yes, I believe that he probably had a few moderators who hated him and would censure him more than someone else. But in all fairness Frank insulted someone in each post he made. He attacked someones faith, insulted someones intelligence and the list goes on.

So Frank, please stop acting the martyr and his followers take a chill pill, he provoked to get his ban.

To be fair though... one should acknowledge that several posters here are more than willing to provoke Frank to get him in trouble.

When I used to moderate other boards, one my posted rules was if you egged someone on to violate TOS, you were equally as guilty. It helped to keep the members in check. Before you ask, US legal code in many jurisdictions refer to this as being an accomplice / complicit in the act.

[Pepsi Jedi]

Online and in forums communities it's called "Flame-baiting"