Shadowrun 4th Ed Options

[Karoline]

It may be the correct expression, but the expression is not correct. Bats are not blind. (And yes I know I am picking nits, but I often work with bats and the misconceptions annoy me.)

I thought about mentioning that (I know the phrase is untrue for the most part, though I did think there were a few bats that had bad vision), but figured someone who's main language isn't English getting the phrase right was doing good, no point pointing out that we use the phrase rather incorrectly (like bull in a china shop, can't polish $hit, rolling stone gathers no moss, sick as a dog, etc)

[Medicineman]

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Extraordinary attribute, Luck, maximum Edge = 9.....

thats Plain Wrong
Extraordinary Attribute only for Physical or Mental Attributes (German 4A Pg 115 !)


Hough!
Medicineman

[Sponge]

and rerolls are exploding.

Rerolls are not exploding. Adding Edge to your dice pool before you roll, all the dice are exploding. Adding Edge after you roll, those extra dice are exploding. Rerolls, no explody. (P67 SR4, "Spending Edge" - each specific case specifies whether dice explode or not.)

[Karoline]

thats Plain Wrong
Extraordinary Attribute only for Physical or Mental Attributes (German 4A Pg 115 !)


Hough!
Medicineman

Correct. Also in SR4 and SR4a in English. Even if that was possible, it breaks the 35BP cap on qualities as well, so, double busted.

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[hermit]

Rerolls are not exploding. Adding Edge to your dice pool before you roll, all the dice are exploding. Adding Edge after you roll, those extra dice are exploding. Rerolls, no explody. (P67 SR4, "Spending Edge" - each specific case specifies whether dice explode or not.)

Oh, thought it was the other way round.

Anyway, then it is 'only' 36*8 worth of Karmapool in the 8 Edge of Mr. Lucky's. Still makes him a rather annoyingly powerful creature for a starter character, if you ask me. Also, don't dismiss the 8 Hands of God he is good for.

[Darkeus]

All Hands of God come with a price...

Darkeus - Shadowrun GM

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hermit]

In SR4, 1 Edge, yes. God has lowered prices greatly over the edition change.

[I Hate All Life]

8 Stats for a few reasons, now that you have attribute+skill you dont want INT to be a god stat so you split it into two. Reaction was always an odd stat to begin with so it kind made sense to move it over to the core to keep with even physical and mental. Edge well they removed all pools so you have to call it something, also I've known player characters with 50 karma pool which can get a bit insane when you use it to reroll all failed dice (ie they never fail a test) While I would have personally preferred 6 stats and Karma Pool get renamed to Karma, I didnt design 4e.

This is probably a little off-topic, and I just go with it since it's written into the game. But karma means "debt." There's no "good karma" or "bad karma," these terms were invented by Westerners (hippies I imagine) that didn't grasp the concept have perpetuated... there is just karma. You accrue karma by acting out of alignment with your dharma or (depending on the faith or interpretation you follow), and the idea is to not get too much of it. At least according to the people that invented/discovered the concept over 4,000 years ago. And it's pronounce like "comma." I just find it amusing that Karma is considered a good thing in SR, and people try to accrue as much as possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But maybe I'm not looking at it deeply enough. The metaphysical implications of previous editions is you grow in power as your Karma does. That's actually consistent with Eastern belief systems -- as you become more invested in the world, and do things like shoot and rob people for Nyuen, you'd certainly gain more Karma than most people. Your capabilities power in this largely world will reflect your growing investment in it, and your abandonment of a proper role and/or virtue. Rather than growth coming from Karma, Karma would be a side effect of it. Even spending Karma for rerolls can be justified: As you burn your Karma and let go of your debt to Creation, fortune favors you and grants you another chance at success, or at life.

Anyways. Carry on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[hermit]

Shadowrun is a child of the 80s, and as suchm influenced by that age's neobuddhism fasion.

Anyway, your take on burning Karma is a fun one. I approve of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

This is probably a little off-topic, and I just go with it since it's written into the game. But karma means "debt." There's no "good karma" or "bad karma," these terms were invented by Westerners (hippies I imagine) that didn't grasp the concept have perpetuated... there is just karma. You accrue karma by acting out of alignment with your dharma or (depending on the faith or interpretation you follow), and the idea is to not get too much of it. At least according to the people that invented/discovered the concept over 4,000 years ago. And it's pronounce like "comma." I just find it amusing that Karma is considered a good thing in SR, and people try to accrue as much as possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But maybe I'm not looking at it deeply enough. The metaphysical implications of previous editions is you grow in power as your Karma does. That's actually consistent with Eastern belief systems -- as you become more invested in the world, and do things like shoot and rob people for Nyuen, you'd certainly gain more Karma than most people. Your capabilities power in this largely world will reflect your growing investment in it, and your abandonment of a proper role and/or virtue. Rather than growth coming from Karma, Karma would be a side effect of it. Even spending Karma for rerolls can be justified: As you burn your Karma and let go of your debt to Creation, fortune favors you and grants you another chance at success, or at life.

Anyways. Carry on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Awesome...

Thanks I Hate All Life

Keep the Faith (but not the Karma)

[Yerameyahu]

English mugs languages for words, and changes them as it likes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

English mugs languages for words, and changes them as it likes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James. D. Nicoll

[KnightRunner]

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James. D. Nicoll

I have that on a T-shirt I bought at Gencon a few years ago. It is one of my favorites.

[Yerameyahu]

Hehe, that's exactly what I was paraphrasing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[I Hate All Life]

Awesome...

Thanks I Hate All Life

Keep the Faith (but not the Karma)

*bows and smiles* Thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James. D. Nicoll

That's just beautiful.

[Synner]

In SR4, 1 Edge, yes. God has lowered prices greatly over the edition change.

I'm going to assume Darkeus was referring to the revised Hand of God rule in SR4A which includes "Note that this does not mean the character gets off scot free. The character should not escape unharmed from whatever circumstances would have led to her death. (...) A character who uses Hand of God should be incapacitated until the end of the current adventure or until the gamemaster deems she has recovered from the side-effects of her close call."

[hermit]

I'm going to assume Darkeus was referring to the revised Hand of God rule in SR4A which includes "Note that this does not mean the character gets off scot free. The character should not escape unharmed from whatever circumstances would have led to her death. (...) A character who uses Hand of God should be incapacitated until the end of the current adventure or until the gamemaster deems she has recovered from the side-effects of her close call."

I am referring to Escape Death. Or did SR4A change that, too?

[jimbo]

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James. D. Nicoll

I love the scene in Planetary when Elijah meets Sherlock Holmes and is asked what languages he speaks. Snow says "Just English.", Holmes replies "That's a mater of debate."

[Sengir]

I am referring to Escape Death. Or did SR4A change that, too?

4A also calls the option to have PCs escape certain death "Hand of God", although players still need to burn only one point of edge and not all of it like NPCs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


But I don't consider the rules to be "revised" just because they added a clarification that "survive" does not mean "emerge unscathed", that's common sense. If that still is too easy for you, see my previous posting for ways to increase the price of survival.