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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 9-February 09 Member No.: 16,860 ![]() |
...what do you use?
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 694 Joined: 21-March 09 Member No.: 17,002 ![]() |
BBB SR4A pg.282. there is stats for Lone Star Squad member. LS and KE are both "LEO"'s so
it gives pretty good direction of KE's stats. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
Knight-Errant Police Squad - PR 3
Human B 3 A 4 R 4 S 3 C 3 [b]I 4 L[/b] 3 W 3 Ed 3 Ess 6 Ini/IP 8/1 CM 10 Movement: 15/25 Skills: Clubs 3, Longarms 3, Perception 2, Pistols 3, Unarmed Combat 3 Knowledge Skills: Law Enforcement 3 Gear: Armor Jacket (8/6), Franchi SPAS-22 (7P; AP -1; SA/BF; RC 0; 10[m]), Ares Predator IV (5P;AP -1; SA; RC -; 15[C]), Defiance EX Shocker (8S[E]; AP -1/2; SS; 4[m]), Stun Baton (6S[E]; Reach 1;AP -1/2), contacts with Image Link and Smartgun Link, Jazz Popper Notes: SPAS-22 is equipped with a smartgun link (+2 dicepool). Jazz: +1 Reac, +1 IP; Duration 10 x 1D6 minutes. Best use in a firefight is to "take aim" then squeeze off 1 shot for a total DP of 10. Shotguns are normally loaded with slugs, but can be loaded with Gel Rounds for more non-lethal scenarios. ******* Basically a reskinned, tweaked Lone Star officer. I debated giving them Full Body Armor from the core book, but figured that'd be reserved for the SWAT members, or at least a little heavier response teams. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 694 Joined: 21-March 09 Member No.: 17,002 ![]() |
Knight-Errant Police Squad - PR 3 Human B 3 A 4 R 4 S 3 C 3 [b]I 4 L[/b] 3 W 3 Ed 3 Ess 6 Ini/IP 8/1 CM 10 Movement: 15/25 Skills: Clubs 3, Longarms 3, Perception 2, Pistols 3, Unarmed Combat 3 Knowledge Skills: Law Enforcement 3 Gear: Armor Jacket (8/6), Franchi SPAS-22 (7P; AP -1; SA/BF; RC 0; 10[m]), Ares Predator III (5P;AP -1; SA; RC -; 15[C]), Defiance EX Shocker (8S[E]; AP -1/2; SS; 4[m]), Stun Baton (6S[E]; Reach 1;AP -1/2), contacts with Image Link and Smartgun Link, Jazz Popper Notes: SPAS-22 is equipped with a smartgun link (+2 dicepool). Jazz: +1 Reac, +1 IP; Duration 10 x 1D6 minutes. Best use in a firefight is to "take aim" then squeeze off 1 shot for a total DP of 10. Shotguns are normally loaded with slugs, but can be loaded with Gel Rounds for more non-lethal scenarios. ******* Basically a reskinned, tweaked Lone Star officer. I debated giving them Full Body Armor from the core book, but figured that'd be reserved for the SWAT members, or at least a little heavier response teams. Ares Predator IV instead of III, body to 4 ,Rc of Spas is 1 when folding stock is used. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 ![]() |
For basic goons against shadowrunners, these stats are ok, but these kind of "LEO"s are completely unable to diffuse difficult situations with negotiations, scare off would be perpetrators without using guns, and generally keeping the peace.
But if you just need something quick to deter the runners these are ok. |
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Great, I'm a Dragon... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 ![]() |
And has no Dodge too.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 3-March 10 Member No.: 18,237 ![]() |
Nice stats, I like the feel of them.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 332 Joined: 15-February 10 From: CMU Member No.: 18,163 ![]() |
As noted before, you'll want to pump up Body - these guys are encumbered by their armor.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 894 Joined: 5-May 10 Member No.: 18,556 ![]() |
Also, Enfield AS-7 might be a better option than the SPAS. Uses clips rather than a magazine so much easier to change ammo types.
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 694 Joined: 21-March 09 Member No.: 17,002 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
For basic goons against shadowrunners, these stats are ok, but these kind of "LEO"s are completely unable to diffuse difficult situations with negotiations, scare off would be perpetrators without using guns, and generally keeping the peace. But if you just need something quick to deter the runners these are ok. Have you even looked at the Lone Star guys from the book? That's essentially what this guy is. What you claim they lack, the core rulebook causes them to lack. I just upgraded their gear slightly and switched their useless Unarmed skill to Clubs so they could actually use the baton they were given. QUOTE As noted before, you'll want to pump up Body - these guys are encumbered by their armor. Many of the core rulebook's goons would be encumbered by their armor... which is why I suggest using the first bullet-point optional rule under Tweaking Armor Encumberance on page 44 of Arsenal. QUOTE ( @ May 9 2010, 02:42 AM) Ares Predator IV instead of III, body to 4 ,Rc of Spas is 1 when folding stock is used. Ares Predator IV is noted, body is not needed, Spas-22 does not have a folding stock - page 28, Arsenal. EDIT: Edited. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 694 Joined: 21-March 09 Member No.: 17,002 ![]() |
Have you even looked at the Lone Star guys from the book? That's essentially what this guy is. What you claim they lack, the core rulebook causes them to lack. I just upgraded their gear slightly and switched their useless Unarmed skill to Clubs so they could actually use the baton they were given. Many of the core rulebook's goons would be encumbered by their armor... which is why I suggest using the first bullet-point optional rule under Tweaking Armor Encumberance on page 44 of Arsenal. Ares Predator IV is noted, body is not needed, Spas-22 does not have a folding stock - page 28, Arsenal. EDIT: Edited. Franchi Spas-22 "due to its folding stock with shock pad and its internal smartgun system, this assault shotgun is popular with many military and police forces operating in urban combat zones. .." Arsenal pg. 28 |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 ![]() |
Have you even looked at the Lone Star guys from the book? That's essentially what this guy is. What you claim they lack, the core rulebook causes them to lack. I just upgraded their gear slightly and switched their useless Unarmed skill to Clubs so they could actually use the baton they were given. Many of the core rulebook's goons would be encumbered by their armor... which is why I suggest using the first bullet-point optional rule under Tweaking Armor Encumberance on page 44 of Arsenal. Ares Predator IV is noted, body is not needed, Spas-22 does not have a folding stock - page 28, Arsenal. EDIT: Edited. Of course I've looked at them, that's why I'm saying LEOs should have other skills. I wouldn't remove unarmed though, better to give them Close Combat skill group if they're supposed to be trained in seld defense and baton use. Or the two skills instead. The LS in the books are also just a skeleton of what would be needed to simulate a "real" cop or even a security guard. And yes the armor rule doeskin make sense so the optiona rule is better. BTW why shotguns? Why not give them some SMGs so they can use Automatics and thus could be gives assault rifles where appropriate? "folding stock with shock pad" is a typo and should probably read "rigid stock with shock pad." Still 1 RC though... check errata? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 9-February 09 Member No.: 16,860 ![]() |
Check out page 148 of Arsenal...
Recoil comp from rigid stock and shock pads do not stack. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 ![]() |
Which is why he stated that it is still only a single point of RC... Keep the Faith Yup: Shock Pad: This shock-absorbing pad can be mounted on the rigid shoulder stock of a rifle, shotgun, or heavy weapon, and provides 1 point of recoil compensation. Note it needs a rigid stock, it can't be mounted on a folding stock. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
Franchi Spas-22 "due to its folding stock with shock pad and its internal smartgun system, this assault shotgun is popular with many military and police forces operating in urban combat zones. .." Arsenal pg. 28 Wierd. I checked it twice before I posted and it didn't have RC. Now it does. I think my Arsenal is messing with me. QUOTE (FriendoftheDork Posted Today, 09:39 AM ) BTW why shotguns? Why not give them some SMGs so they can use Automatics and thus could be gives assault rifles where appropriate? Because police officers in the real world have shotguns. You could do assault rifles now since Arizona is issuing heavier weapons though... |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 9-February 09 Member No.: 16,860 ![]() |
When I lived in L.A. (about 5 years ago), the cops had a shotgun AND an AR15 between the front seats.
I even saw a motorcycle cop that had an MP5 (at least that's what it looked like) on the back of his bike. |
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