 Philosophical question, Do spirits hold a grudge? |
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 Feb 22 2004, 10:44 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499  |
Well im sure Buttercup has a SIN, fake one mind or Corp but she has one no doubt
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Feb 22 2004, 10:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 402 Joined: 23-April 03 From: London, UK Member No.: 4,491 |
Yeah. A Yamatetsu SIN. Even odds, she's a player. Blood In The Boardroom has all you need to know about her.
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Feb 22 2004, 11:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 24-January 04 Member No.: 6,013 |
It may be a left over qurik from my D&D days. But the way I see it, all spirits and elementals are not only intelligent, but have distinct personalities as well. I pretty much treat them as just another kind of NPC. Let's me mess with players minds alot.
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Feb 23 2004, 03:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Ok we played this weekend.
Didn't go back to the house to try and summon anything. However, my watchers are getting weirder! |
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Feb 23 2004, 04:09 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Oooh, interplanar gossip. Intraplanar gossip is common, but to manipulate the source of watchers into sending the trouble ones takes more effort. If spirits of other types start to show similar abnormalities, your options are rather limited. 1) put up with it 2) attempt to make amends with the spirit. |
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Feb 23 2004, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
it actually adds some interest to the character.
Granted watchers are kind of dumb to begin with. The last one was a force 4 with a serious paranoid streak. I tried to conjure up a city spirit to take care of some rival gangers, but i blew my roll to summon and blew my roll to resist drain due to wounds and low charisma |
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Feb 23 2004, 09:20 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 8-December 03 Member No.: 5,887 |
I would interpret the spirits reaction as something like this: "Summoner asks me to carry some trinkets into my house, suddenly I explode, searing back to my native metaplane. Oh well!" In my opinion your average nature spirit has little understanding or interest in (meta)human affairs. So I think a sort of absent "dont-give-a-damn" attitude would be appropriate. Alternetively ignorant, unfocused curiosity. Spirits may be intelligent, but their minds and thoughts are completely alien. Free spirits are essentially "born" at the moment they gain freedom. In addition, only spirits that have had extensive contact with humans become free spirits. As I see it free spirits are the only spirits that have a shot at understanding the physical plane at all. They are, after all, the only spirits with the ability to learn (as in improving themselves).
What do you think about that? (PS. As a gamemaster I would still have spirits dislike cruel summoners. They can tell stuff like that about a person even if they donīt understand the persons actions) |
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Feb 23 2004, 10:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 4-February 03 From: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Member No.: 4,010 |
Interesting. I'm generally in agreement, but I can see a way to have the spirit angry with you even though it's normally ambivalent about metahumanity. If upon returning from the rest in its metaplane, our spirit sees its domain trashed, it might just be intelligent enough to associate the initial banishment via grenades with the now wrecked home. (Maybe an Intelligence test with a relatively high target number). I can see a spirit being angered with its domain suffering damage. Particularly violent death, with bodies left where they fell... well, there might be some background count there too, which might be even more irritating to the spirit. |
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Feb 25 2004, 04:02 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Is your character's Magic Attribute 8 or over? |
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Feb 25 2004, 07:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Nope.
Why do you ask? |
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Feb 25 2004, 11:42 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
That's pretty impressive, ive never seen someone score 8 sucesses summoning a watcher to get a force 4, that's take like a summoning skill of around 9 or 10! :eek:
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Feb 26 2004, 01:05 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I seem to recall something in canon about the maximum Force of any Watcher summoned is equal to one half of the conjuring character's Magic Attribute (round down). BitBasher: What? IIRC, the number of successes in the conjuring test determines the length of time a Watcher is of service, not it's Force. |
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Feb 26 2004, 11:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 15-May 03 Member No.: 4,591 |
Tutor.
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Feb 26 2004, 04:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Whoops!
/slaps forehead Maybe GM and Grimmy need to reread the rules on Watchers!!! I may have slipped one past my GM on this one. |
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Feb 26 2004, 05:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Boy were you guys right!
I went home and checked MitS for the rules on watchers. I guess i just got so wrapped up in the story and the excitement of the situation that i for got to "Roll" play. Next time i'll lawyer up roll play right! :S |
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Feb 26 2004, 06:46 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
No, Im fairly positive that the TN to summon is the number of hours you need it for, and the resulting force is the number of suceses/2. I did it your way for a long time until one of my players showed me it was wrong.
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Feb 26 2004, 07:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
according to Mits
Conjuring test versus force Each success = 1 hour of service Drain = (Force + successes)L |
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Feb 26 2004, 07:25 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Okay! Unless, of course I'm wrong! :grinbig:
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Feb 27 2004, 12:05 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It's cool. The only reason I knew was that I was forced to recently look it up for one of my characters. :) |
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