Unpublished Drafts - Free for All, Chapters that might have been Options

[Ancient History]

Mitsuhama was one of my babies. I did a lot with the Yaks, I begged to do the major Yakorp.

[Ryu]

That reminds me. I need to release the Yucatan draft from SoLA too.

Pretty please?

[outlawpoet]

Pretty please?

ditto, the yucatan conflict is one my favorite plotlines, but it gets no love, aside from updates that are baffling in their cryptic brevity. Pobre is regional governor? wasn't he going toxic? Is he still crazy? A feathered serpent was ritually sacrificed on live TV?! whaaaat.

[Synner]

Let's keep this thread for Ancient's material and take the Yucatan issue over to the SoLA thread.

[Ancient History]

For anyone that likes obscure connections, the CAS draft ties in with one of my Grey Places.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Bob, just a little "errata" for amazonian draft. Speaking as a native: I don't know how the hermanos (argentinians) call it, but in Brazil we call it Iguaçu Falls (or even Iguassu Falls), not Iguaza. Altough I did check google and wikipedia and they use this name for it.

But hey, good work. Loved the shadowtalk on it.

[Ancient History]

Thanks!

[Veggiesama]

Wow. The PACKS system is seriously awesome. I have been wanting something like this for NPCs as well as beginner players. Thank you!

[Tachi]

Ancient, I don't know if you can answer this (either you or CGL may be still planning to use it), but, what happened to Geraint and why are Serrin and Kristen on the run? (from the end of Megacorp Shuffle)

[Dynamo Dave]

Why did you never release large bits of excluded work prior to your ragequitting?

I know a lot of people are too busy patting their own backs about sticking it to CGL for what ever reason but it seems to me that this was done purely out of spite and in an attempt to spit at CGL rather than a kind service to the fans. If it were a kind service I wonder why Ancient never did it before save for random bits here and there. Venom pours out of every single initial post here and in the proof thread.

When Kenson did it he at least did it for the fans and only after the books had been published. This is simply petty if you ask me. Though I have no doubt therell be some excuse to the tune of "oh I hoped to use the material in the future even if its stuff that would never see the light of day."

Anyway with that said this PACKS thing is kind of boring except and pretty useless except to brand new players or really lazy GMs who havent already created a huge store of pregen NPCs. From the looks of it its just a BP tax for characters, making them take skills and gear theyd never take themselves because of the sheer uselessness of it. New players would be better served with pregenned archetypes anyway, and really lazy GMs will continue to be really lazy GMs with or without this. To be really honest it actually sounds a lot more complicated than the normal creation methods on top of that. But that is certainly a matter of opinion. At least give a dang discount if your going to force people to take subpar skills, gears, and forced BPs on knowledge skills.

[Stahlseele]

what's with all the newbies coming in here and complaining as of late?
Is that not allowed on the CBT boards anymore or what?
Also, this is supposed to be for rounded characters, not for specialized ones.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Why did you never release large bits of excluded work prior to your ragequitting?

Your SearchFu is weak.

[Dynamo Dave]

what's with all the newbies coming in here and complaining as of late?

Sorry I didnt realize only veterans were allowed to voice an opinin here.

Also, this is supposed to be for rounded characters, not for specialized ones.

They still wind up with a lot of useless stuff. Rounded doesnt mean useless.

Your SearchFu is weak.

Feel free to point to any time hes posted this much at one time. Especially before the books were published and while not acting as pissy as he has in these related threads.

I like free stuff as much as anyone else does. But not when its done out of spite and to the detriment of the game and the fans.

[Abstruse]

Why did you never release large bits of excluded work prior to your ragequitting?

I know a lot of people are too busy patting their own backs about sticking it to CGL for what ever reason but it seems to me that this was done purely out of spite and in an attempt to spit at CGL rather than a kind service to the fans. If it were a kind service I wonder why Ancient never did it before save for random bits here and there. Venom pours out of every single initial post here and in the proof thread.

When Kenson did it he at least did it for the fans and only after the books had been published. This is simply petty if you ask me. Though I have no doubt therell be some excuse to the tune of "oh I hoped to use the material in the future even if its stuff that would never see the light of day."

Anyway with that said this PACKS thing is kind of boring except and pretty useless except to brand new players or really lazy GMs who havent already created a huge store of pregen NPCs. From the looks of it its just a BP tax for characters, making them take skills and gear theyd never take themselves because of the sheer uselessness of it. New players would be better served with pregenned archetypes anyway, and really lazy GMs will continue to be really lazy GMs with or without this. To be really honest it actually sounds a lot more complicated than the normal creation methods on top of that. But that is certainly a matter of opinion. At least give a dang discount if your going to force people to take subpar skills, gears, and forced BPs on knowledge skills.

Someone obviously hasn't read everything to understand the whole story. The main reason this was released now rather than after publication (and for the record, NO ONE should ever question AH on releasing material free to the fans considering his site is probably the best repository for metaplot info outside of maybe the wiki) was because AH received info that CGL may have continued using his drafts of the material after he pulled copyright and terminated his contracts. If he waited until publication and they did use his material, then he wouldn't have much recourse other than hiring a lawyer. By releasing this way, he's FORCING them to extract his material from the drafts before they're published. Because everyone and their brother has the material now.

And for the record, there are TONS of free supplements out there on the web for every gaming system that were rejected freelancer works. Just usually isn't labeled as such because there isn't as much background drama going on. It's more typical "didn't fit" or "not up to quality" or "another submission on a similar subject was better" or whatever other editorial reason. There's also a lot more that isn't published because the freelancers were signed to NDAs, which AH was not.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[…] large bits of excluded work […]

[…] this much at one time […]

Fail.

But not when its done […] to the detriment of […] the fans.

Yes, I can totally see how getting material that otherwise never would be published is to the detriment of the fans. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

[Dynamo Dave]

O you can't do it, OK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks for trying anyway.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

And Fail again – I already did.

[Mäx]

Feel free to point to any time hes posted this much at one time.

Feel free to point out a time when he has had this much material that will definedly never see the light of day in a print.

Also i would highly disagree with the part about PACKs being useless.
I have made multiple characters and use the karmagen anyway so i really dont need it to make the character building easier, but it does provides one with multiple ideas for character-builds.
Thinks like the gunsel karsist, gave me all new ideas for making new characters.

[General Pax]

Just wow. And not a good wow either.

[fistandantilus4....]

Dynamo, your opinion of the PACKS system, and of the way it was released is fine. It's your opinion. You're entitled to it . The way you're presenting your arguement, in tone and attitude, is not. Ease off.


And yes, new and old Users are allowed to post everywhere. Stahlseele is referring to a disturbing trend we've seen lately of new Users coming in and starting their very first posts with nothing but negative comments that start arguements, adding nothing constructive. Typically, they continue in that tone and attitude. Voice your opinion, but please, add something constructive.

[Grinder]

And Fail again – I already did.

Guys, calm down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/extinguish.gif)

[fistandantilus4....]

Guys, calm down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/extinguish.gif)

Beat you to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Grinder]

Nah. I let you be the first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Demonseed Elite]

That someone is saying Bobby doesn't put unpublished work out on the internet is crazy! His site is one of the deepest and most referenced unofficial resources for the game.

Yes, he just dumped a ton of it at once. That's because he suddenly has a ton of it that isn't going to be published. Once upon a time, this stuff would have been published, now it's suddenly material that he can't do anything with but release it for free. So he has. There's also the other factor of doing it as an insurance to make sure his material isn't used in the published book, which makes sense.

[fistandantilus4....]

Nah. I let you be the first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So kind. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)