Tir Tairngire (or "It Takes Tir to Tango"), Events in Tir Tairngire since SoNA Options

[Saint Sithney]

Making Stuff Up:
Oh, SSC wasn't being dicks to the elves, we were being dicks to UCAS (Seatle). We emptied our prisons nicely when we "kicked" them out.

Probably pretty obvious which movie I stole that idea from, I never did bother to take the time to find out if Castro actually did that.

Castro declared that anyone who wants out of Cuba can leave, and he meant anyone.

I wonder how many of those prisoners were just in jail or mental institutions for the crime of homosexuality..

[Tzeentch]

quick question, didn't seattle have an elven ghetto long before 4th edition? i thought tarislar had been around for quite a while...

--- Aye it's been there for a long time (original Seattle Sourcebook, p. 139). However my reference is specifically referring to:

Runner Havens p. 89

Over the last decade, thousands of elven refugees have fled the nation of Tir Tairngire to the metahuman ghetto of Tarislar in Seattle.

--Emphasis mine.

I always thought it was the Night of Rage.

-- Yup. Of course why they were living in a slum next to Tir Tairngire wasn't clear at first.

Seattle Sourcebook, p. 139 - Set in 2050

Tarislar is said to be Elvish for "Remembrance." This collection of abandoned apartment buildings and squatter shacks is home to most of the district's Elves, who fled to Puyallup after the Night of Rage, vowing that they would never trust humans again. True to their pledge, they keep their contract with Humans and the district government to an absolute minimum.
The elves never intended to stay here for long, as Metahumans were negotiating for emigration into Council lands back then. When the Council's surprise decision went against Metahimans, Tarislar became a permanent home for all Elves. The Salish-Shidhe Council's decision also put them high on the Elves' hate list.

-- A happy bunch.

-- Their situation vis-a-vis Tir Tairngire was addressed in New Seattle, p. 71 - Set in 2060

-- Good update of the situation in Seattle 2072 (p. 126)

[Updated to expand the Tarislar references]

[Abstruse]

Tier Tay-urn-guy-er and Tier nah noog is always how I've pronounced them. The former I'm 90% sure is right, but the latter is influenced by Gaelic which makes no goddamn sense at all.

And is Crater Lake still blocked off? I mean after 2058 when the Horrors were no longer an issue...maybe the mana warp is still there?

[Martin_DeVries_I...]

Seattle Sourcebook, p. 139 - Set in 2050

Oh excellent, thank you. It's been so long since I read the original Seattle... never owned it myself, always had to check it out from my public library... no wonder I forgot that bit.

[hermit]

And is Crater Lake still blocked off? I mean after 2058 when the Horrors were no longer an issue...maybe the mana warp is still there?

Dunkelzahn prevented more from crossing over forever. Those that are already there were not affected. The fun thing about Horrors is that (excluding Shedim) they are there to stay once there.

[MindandPen]

Dunkelzahn prevented more from crossing over forever. Those that are already there were not affected. The fun thing about Horrors is that (excluding Shedim) they are there to stay once there.

Having not read as much of Earthdawn as I would like - how do you kill a horror, and, as I understand it, they come in "grades".

-M&P

[hermit]

Having not read as much of Earthdawn as I would like - how do you kill a horror, and, as I understand it, they come in "grades".

Like any other critter. If they'Re here, you can mostly shoot them or at the very least slay them with a Spiritbolt spell

At least, that's roughly ED's take on it. Barring special horrors, like the one who becomes your special friend, kills everyone and everything you ever cared about in a most spectacularily horrible way, and feeds off your terror and loss (Chantal's [sic] horror), or Yrsgrythae [sic], Aina's one-time pact-partner, lover, and father of Thais, the second most unfortunate thing in SR, right after Aithne.

[Stormdrake]

I would add that the Big D stopped the Horrors from arrving early, not from showing up at all. At least that was how it was explained by AH.

[hermit]

He bought time, just as Thayla did. Nothing more.

[Tzeentch]

Significantly updated the post-SoNA references. If you spot any more (especially regarding Prince antics) let me know.

[Tzeentch]

-- Updated with Spy Games information. As always, let me know if I missed anything.

[Wakshaani]

CHecked the wiki, but saw no listing of a Mike Mulvihill novel. Which one is it?

(Something about Ainthe Oakforrest's kid (And, man, 'Ainthe' is such a horrible name!) poking around, finding a cache of Lofwyr's dragon eggs, smashing 'em up, then getting eaten by ol' Golden Snout, which then drives his pop to demand satisfaction of some kind, and suddenly neither he nor Lofwyr are princes anymore. WHich means Ol' Oak is probably going to hook up with Spinrad to take the big lizard down.)

[hermit]

-- (p. 44) I'm not sure what Harly means by "Elven fascists! Now that has got to be the funniest thing I've read in a long time."

I always assumed that to be a nod to Carl Sargent's hinting that the Blood Wood elves (or their descendants) are actually the historical Aryans.

[Critias]

A few (random) things:

Corvalis was established as the headquarters of the Information Secretariat in SOTA '64, I was just repeating it in Spy Games.

The elven criminal syndicate is the Laesa, not the Leal. Leal wine is one of the (several) versions of the drug that are making the rounds at the moment, but the syndicate/courier group/cool-elven-criminals-that-aren't-the-Ancients call themselves the Laesa. There's some information on them in 10 Gangs.

The canon version of events (in that it's the one current writers are moving forward with) surrounding Green Lucifer is the Vice version, where he's been bumped up from co-running the Seattle chapter and is now rocking out his green mohawk all up and down the whole West Coast, overseeing operations, working on his tan, flipping people off, pretending not to be a mage, or whatever it is elven go-gangers do in their free time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Sting finally got solo control of Seattle (after twenty years or so of shared leadership), watching her rival get promoted a notch and leaving her with the metroplex. For now.

[Wakshaani]

CHecked the wiki, but saw no listing of a Mike Mulvihill novel. Which one is it?

(Something about Ainthe Oakforrest's kid (And, man, 'Ainthe' is such a horrible name!) poking around, finding a cache of Lofwyr's dragon eggs, smashing 'em up, then getting eaten by ol' Golden Snout, which then drives his pop to demand satisfaction of some kind, and suddenly neither he nor Lofwyr are princes anymore. WHich means Ol' Oak is probably going to hook up with Spinrad to take the big lizard down.)

I've wondered about this for *years*.

I've never seen it printed anywhere, just mentioned kind of in passing.

I'd LOVE to see the real deal.

[Tzeentch]

-- I have the notes for Mike's novel (Private Agenda IIRC) as it obviously impacted the Tir, but it was just a set of plot points. If I find the doc on my archives I'll see what it adds but the points above match what I recall of it.

-- Really surprised the book hasn't been released in some form. Mike was excited to be a novel author (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[last_of_the_grea...]

The canon version of events (in that it's the one current writers are moving forward with) surrounding Green Lucifer is the Vice version, where he's been bumped up from co-running the Seattle chapter and is now rocking out his green mohawk all up and down the whole West Coast, overseeing operations, working on his tan, flipping people off, pretending not to be a mage, or whatever it is elven go-gangers do in their free time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Sting finally got solo control of Seattle (after twenty years or so of shared leadership), watching her rival get promoted a notch and leaving her with the metroplex. For now.

In a later sourcebook did they not mention ol' Greenie getting knocked off by an underling 'cause his living too long put a crimp in his advancement?

[Critias]

In a later sourcebook did they not mention ol' Greenie getting knocked off by an underling 'cause his living too long put a crimp in his advancement?

That was Riser's interpretation of what happened, yes.

For the details, folks just have to wait for the CMP adventure Ancient Pawns to make it through layout and into publication (look for it as part of an elf-centric adventure bundle, hopefully very soon).

[Critias]

-- I have the notes for Mike's novel (Private Agenda IIRC) as it obviously impacted the Tir, but it was just a set of plot points. If I find the doc on my archives I'll see what it adds but the points above match what I recall of it.

I would quite like to see them, if they're the sort of thing you're allowed to share. PM me if so, and I'll get you my email. It's a little late in the process for me to go out of my way to further integrate anything in a certain handful of upcoming products, but I can't help but still be very, very, curious.

[Wakshaani]

I would quite like to see them, if they're the sort of thing you're allowed to share. PM me if so, and I'll get you my email. It's a little late in the process for me to go out of my way to further integrate anything in a certain handful of upcoming products, but I can't help but still be very, very, curious.

Ditto across the board on this one. I've wanted to know what was up with this for *ages*, and Critias is probably the only one around that's more into the Tir than I am. Need... datadump ...

[khirareq]

BTW, what is the official pronunciation for the two Tir's.

-M&P

Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā p190 6WA
Tír na nÓg: shēr nə nōg p152 6WA

So yeah, that's a little freaky.

[almost normal]

This was the best thread I've read in some time.

[Critias]

Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā p190 6WA
Tír na nÓg: shēr nə nōg p152 6WA

So yeah, that's a little freaky.

I still say 'em "Tear Tearngear" and "Tear na nog," myself. Official policy be damned! Fight the power!

[Wakshaani]

I still say 'em "Tear Tearngear" and "Tear na nog," myself. Official policy be damned! Fight the power!

Tear Tan Gear and Tir na NOAG, myself.

[Tzeentch]

-- I don't have access to my file archives until late August, unfortunately. I will do my best to find it then.