 Hot Sim VR and Magic, In SR4A do they mix? |
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 Jun 20 2010, 09:28 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651  |
In SR3 it said real clearly that in VR that any magic on the decker did not affect their avatar. Is that same statement in SR4A?
By RAW in SR4A if an increase attribute spell is on a Hot-Sim'ming TM is their living persona increased? |
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Jun 20 2010, 09:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 298 Joined: 15-March 09 Member No.: 16,974 |
QUOTE (Wasabi @ Jun 20 2010, 02:28 PM)  In SR3 it said real clearly that in VR that any magic on the decker did not affect their avatar. Is that same statement in SR4A? It is still true that magic spells don't affect hacking. QUOTE (Wasabi @ Jun 20 2010, 02:28 PM) By RAW in SR4A if an increase attribute spell is on a Hot-Sim'ming TM is their living persona increased? Yes, though it's not going to make them that much better aside from increase intuition (assuming their intuition is lower than their resonance). |
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Jun 21 2010, 02:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
QUOTE (Deadmannumberone @ Jun 20 2010, 04:42 PM) It is still true that magic spells don't affect hacking. Source? |
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Jun 21 2010, 02:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: 9-May 10 Member No.: 18,563 |
Well, there's the rule where all Matrix actions are Skill + Program. I don't see how Increase Attribute is going to help you.
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Jun 21 2010, 02:13 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (HugeC @ Jun 20 2010, 07:10 PM) Well, there's the rule where all Matrix actions are Skill + Program. I don't see how Increase Attribute is going to help you. Maybe not Increase Atribute, but you could always have the Adept's ability of Improved Ability (which adds ranks to the Skill), assuming that you were either an Adept or Mystic Adept... Just Sayin' Keep the Faith |
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Jun 21 2010, 02:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 20 2010, 08:13 PM) Maybe not Increase Atribute, but you could always have the Adept's ability of Improved Ability (which adds ranks to the Skill), assuming that you were either an Adept or Mystic Adept... Just Sayin' Keep the Faith Magic has no affect on the Matrix. This is in both Unwired and Street Magic. |
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Jun 21 2010, 02:29 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 20 2010, 07:26 PM) Magic has no affect on the Matrix. This is in both Unwired and Street Magic. It is not affecting the Matrix, It is affecting the Individual, who is accessing the matrix... his improved skill will still apply... Keep the Faith |
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Jun 21 2010, 02:38 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 20 2010, 07:26 PM) Magic has no affect on the Matrix. This is in both Unwired and Street Magic. Man, everyone -says- that. Got a page number for me? Cause I'd really like to know. I know its a previous-edition thing, which I know very little about, but 4th is not 3rd, and a for-sure one way or the other for the current edition would be great. |
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Jun 21 2010, 03:00 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I don't understand why there'd need to be a rule. It seems obvious that the Matrix doesn't exist as a place for magic to affect, and also that any relevant magical effects on the user (improved skill, reaction for AR access, etc.) would simply work as normal.
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Jun 21 2010, 03:11 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 20 2010, 08:38 PM) Man, everyone -says- that. Got a page number for me? Cause I'd really like to know. I know its a previous-edition thing, which I know very little about, but 4th is not 3rd, and a for-sure one way or the other for the current edition would be great. Street Magic, p23: QUOTE Regardless of magical tradition or training, no magical abilities work directly on augmented reality (AR) or virtual reality (VR) object...Adept powers don't work directly against virtual reality objects either (though it should be noted that powers such as Improved Ability that affect the adept himself, rather than things external to the adept, are still effective). There's more to it there, but I'm lazy and don't feel like typing further. |
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Jun 21 2010, 03:19 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 20 2010, 08:11 PM) Street Magic, p23: Regardless of magical tradition or training, no magical abilities work directly on augmented reality (AR) or virtual reality (VR) object...Adept powers don't work directly against virtual reality objects either (though it should be noted that powers such as Improved Ability that affect the adept himself, rather than things external to the adept, are still effective). There's more to it there, but I'm lazy and don't feel like typing further. Did you happen to actually read the quote though? As specified in the quote above, an Adept's Improved Ability still functions, even if you are in the matrix, because it is NOT acting directly upon the AMtrix, it is acting upon the character... so his improvement to his Hacking Skills carries over just fine... Just wanted to point that out... Keep the Faith |
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Jun 21 2010, 04:09 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 20 2010, 09:19 PM) Did you happen to actually read the quote though? As specified in the quote above, an Adept's Improved Ability still functions, even if you are in the matrix, because it is NOT acting directly upon the AMtrix, it is acting upon the character... so his improvement to his Hacking Skills carries over just fine... Just wanted to point that out... Keep the Faith I typed it, not copy and paste (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Jun 21 2010, 04:34 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
For those asking why stats matter... its because I primarily play TM's and for a TM a stat makes a big difference sometimes.
@Abstruse: Thanks for finding that, you're awesome, sir! |
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Jun 21 2010, 11:05 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 20 2010, 10:09 PM) I typed it, not copy and paste (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) No Problems... Keep the Faith |
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Jun 26 2010, 02:50 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
Getting your stats boosted would still effect your matix stats as a TM. But you can't power-ball that AI.
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