Am I too mean a GM?, Or is this just funny as hell. Options

[imperialus]

So last session our team got into a firefight with DocWagon during the Ghost Cartel's campaign.

One of the PC's got knocked out during the course of it. He has a basic DocWagon contract.

I've just prepared a bill to hand him totaling 55000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) for the expenses incurred when they attempted to 'extract' him.

Really at the end of the day it'll just mean he'll need to scrub that SIN but I thought it was a perfect example of 'profit over people' not to mention a method of screwing over my PC's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

[Draco18s]

You're awful. Do it.

[Critias]

Well, what'd they THINK was gonna happen when they got into a firefight with DocWagon while wearing a DocWagon tracking device?

[Wounded Ronin]

It will probably be construed as social commentary about the rising cost of healthcare.

Therefore as a GM you're automatically being deep and socially relevant.

WIN!

[Demonseed Elite]

I like it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Pepsi Jedi]

Yeah I'd have them totaly inflate the bill.

[kzt]

I'd do it. I'd probably get the cops trying to pick him up for insanity, as he shot at DW when they tried to help him...

This, btw, is one of the many reasons I think that any runner with a DW contract is insane. Why does someone planning to carry out illegal act for which they can go to jail want to strap a tracking beacon to their wrist?

[Enin]

Wow I never thought of doing that while my team went through that run. It is very evil, but more importantly it is very awesome and Shadowrun rules state you have to do what is most awesome.

[LurkerOutThere]

Question for you, why would Docwagon release said runner before he's paid them at least a large portion of what he owes? Considering he and his team actively fired at them it's entirely reasonable for Docwagon to view him as a "credit risk" or turn him over to the police authorities.

I mean if your going to be evil go all the way. If he can't come up with a portion of the money he owes have Docwagon talk about "seizing assets" (his organs and ware) in lieu of payment. The rest of the team may need to plan on an extraction.

Drink deep of the evil my brother GM, it will only make you stronger.

[MortVent]

Doc wagon patched him up... think cortex bomb. DW needs runners too you know...

[tagz]

Lurker and Mordvent nailed it.

They wouldn't just let him take off afterward, they'd take some measures to ensure payment or cooperation.

Either hold him on DW property or put a cranial bomb with anti-tamper device in it. The bomb will be removed once he has payed the debt off, but they'll then charge him for the bomb removal surgery too.

Evil is fun to play.

[imperialus]

Doc wagon patched him up... think cortex bomb. DW needs runners too you know...

DocWagon didn't even patch him up. The team escaped along with the runner. Nowhere in his contract does it state however that the resuscitation attempt must be successful in order for the client to get billed. Heck I think the rules for it in 4A even state that the bill will go to his estate if necessary.

[tagz]

Ah, well, in that case you handled it correctly.

[kzt]

DocWagon didn't even patch him up. The team escaped along with the runner. Nowhere in his contract does it state however that the resuscitation attempt must be successful in order for the client to get billed. Heck I think the rules for it in 4A even state that the bill will go to his estate if necessary.

Escaped? Um, did he take off the active tracking beacon?

[UmaroVI]

I dunno, even scrapping the SIN, having DocWagon pissed at you might not be good (especially if you have a contract with them, since this would mean losing the contract). I was going to suggest having DocWagon send him the inflated bill and warn him that if he doesn't cough up, he and all his buddies are getting their contracts voided and are on the DocWagon blacklist.... then have DocWagon offer to "forget about" the bill in return for an off-the-books service of some kind, ie, use this as an adventure hook.

[nemafow]

If he wipes his SIN, they still have alot of info on the runner, like blood type, DNA ect. They are a medical corp after all? It would make their job reviving him and ect easier if they had that stuff on record. Unless everyone disagrees with me?

[tagz]

Nope, nemafow, you're spot on.

Right in the section about buying a Doc Wagon contract it talks about them acquiring samples and medical info. Depending on how you're game treats fake SINs (mine a fake SIN is more believable when the info on it matches the holder better, so correct DNA, blood type, etc...) they might be able to find your new SIN through a search through the registry, but it would be tricky I think.

[AStarshipforAnts]

That's pretty much exactly what I would have done.

[Redcrow]

IMO, careless PCs deserve to suffer the consequences.

[kzt]

Right in the section about buying a Doc Wagon contract it talks about them acquiring samples and medical info. Depending on how you're game treats fake SINs (mine a fake SIN is more believable when the info on it matches the holder better, so correct DNA, blood type, etc...) they might be able to find your new SIN through a search through the registry, but it would be tricky I think.

There are other approaches one can pursue using samples.... But ritual magic is expensive.

[Garou]

Drink deep of the evil, my brother GM, it will only make you stronger.

That was awesome and it will go to my sig. Right Now.

[Hagga]

So last session our team got into a firefight with DocWagon during the Ghost Cartel's campaign.

One of the PC's got knocked out during the course of it. He has a basic DocWagon contract.

I've just prepared a bill to hand him totaling 55000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) for the expenses incurred when they attempted to 'extract' him.

Really at the end of the day it'll just mean he'll need to scrub that SIN but I thought it was a perfect example of 'profit over people' not to mention a method of screwing over my PC's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

nEVER BE AFRAID to screw over your PCs. If they do something stupid, or don't think of the consequences, give them a raised middle finger.

[toturi]

Is the Doc Wagon account linked to the same SIN he was using at the time he was on the run? Was he even using a SIN at all? Did he actively resist DW's attempts to extract him? Was he on extraterritorial grounds when it happened (did they plan to discourage pursuit by going through corp grounds)?

Billing him for damages incurred while trying to extract him may work. Or it may not, depending on his contract and his lawyer. Does the contract say that they can charge him if they fail to confirm it was him that they were extracting? How do they confirm it was him if they can't extract him?

DW has his medical information, so it probably has an easier time to track him down, this depends on how much they are willing to spend to recover their money. He probably can't get a new DW contract (again this would depend on whether they can hold onto the information they have).

[Glyph]

I am assuming they tracked him by his wrist biomonitor going off, so they know he was there. Since DocWagon will have medical samples from him, simply changing his SIN won't let him off the hook or let him get a new DocWagon contract. Ritual sorcery may be expensive, but not if you already have mages on contract standing by. Plus, depending on the pressure they can bring to bear (which is likely a lot), they could simply add the cost of the mage, and any other collection efforts, to his bill. I imagine they are stringent about getting paid, otherwise everyone else would be encouraged to skip on their bills. They provide medical coverage to a lot of shady people, after all.

Generally, it is a bad idea to get on the bad side of someone who has biometric data and medical samples from you.

[tagz]

I would send a bill and notice that informs the runner that failure to pay may result in the use of his/her samples being used in ritual sorcery for debt collection purposes.

Tell him he can take the "In Debt" quality without the benefits and pay it off like that.