Money Laundering, Going to the cleaners... Options

[CanRay]

How does your crew ensure that the Johnson that just hired you isn't tracking you through the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) (s)he just paid you?

Black Bank Accounts? Legitimate Businesses? Purchases of easily pawned goods? Only taking payments in solid cash/bearer bonds?

[Yerameyahu]

Unwired, p93: Numbered credit accounts, Escrow services, One-time Disposable credit accounts…

[CanRay]

That's what the rules suggest. What other options have the groups come up with?

[Yerameyahu]

Ah, sorry. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I feel like that pretty much covers it, though.

[CanRay]

More than that is available.

[Yerameyahu]

No doubt. I was just giving my two cents. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[kzt]

We ignore it, as the entire setting explodes when you look and think deeply about banking in SR.

[Yerameyahu]

Heh, that's kind of the case with everything in the setting, really.

[hermit]

How does your crew ensure that the Johnson that just hired you isn't tracking you through the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) (s)he just paid you?

Black Bank Accounts? Legitimate Businesses? Purchases of easily pawned goods? Only taking payments in solid cash/bearer bonds?

Taking the money out of the system and reintroducing it. Being paid in Checksticks, exchanging them for goods, and selling the goods someplace else (BTLs, diamonds, applicances).

the trick is to take the money out of the system for some time, that kills the data trail.

[Xahn Borealis]

And nuyen isn't the only payment around. Everyone has stuff they want to spend money on, but that takes time too (Availability rolls). What if Johnson can come up with the goods himself? And obviously you scrub that drek to within a inch of it's life with tag erasers and whatnot.

[hermit]

I'd not trust the Johnson with goods. Nuyen is less easy to tag. But I'd exchange nuyen for goods soon after J gives them to me.

[Xahn Borealis]

I remember reading somewhere that one of the best things, besides currency, for Johnson to pay with, something everyone can use, information. Info on the prison your brother's being kept in, the Matrix address of a black node (as in secrecy as well as IC), the secret password to get you in that nightclub. Tbh, there's no payment option available that doesn't have SOME downside, as far I can see.

[hermit]

Information requires a hell of a lot more trust into the Johnson's relative honesty than certified cred, though.

[Daylen]

Only take payment in gold, silver and copper coins.

[AStarshipforAnts]

Gold Doubloons or livestock.

[hermit]

Uncut blood diamonds? And lose the payment fast when the run is over, so when Johnson tracks it down magically they find someone else.

[LurkerOutThere]

Payment held in escrow and laundered by such service per the terms of the original contract.

[Daylen]

Gold Doubloons or livestock.

I like it!

Johnson: how much will it cost to have subject A have a serious but not fatal accident?

Face: well all things considered I don't think my team can do this for less than 1000 head of goat and 2000 llamas.

Johnson:starts punching numbers on his credstick then stops and looks up wait...what?!

[MortVent]

Had a hacker that worked for source code. In time he had quite a collection of source code software that he would burn to chip and sell blackmarket.

Sure it was little programs and such, but sell a dozen rating 4 OS (system/firewall) programs.. and that's not bad money for the cost of a few chips

[Yerameyahu]

I dunno if there's rules for selling duplicate pirated warez. It's kind of infinite money, after all.

[MortVent]

I dunno if there's rules for selling duplicate pirated warez. It's kind of infinite money, after all.

Well that was just it, he got the source code... on a limited use chip. Each copy he made, set the counter on the chip up one.

So a 5k run.. he might get a 1k credstick at the start and a 5 use chip at the completion

[hermit]

Fencing rules, applied to pirated warez.

However, that would piss off the mob real soon.

[D2F]

That's what the rules suggest. What other options have the groups come up with?

Hawala systems.

[Saint Sithney]

As many vindictive characters as I see floating around, I think there would be a definitive lack of Johnsons on the scene it they were constantly trying snoopy bullshit like keeping tabs on fairly-earned cred. "Dear Shadowland, this guy is a creep who tried to track me through the cred he paid me. Slot him before you trust him."

Besides, with no real government oversight and all, it's super easy to launder money through a couple of pawn shops. You buy a widget from pawn shop 1 and sell it to pawn shop two for 10% less than you purchased it. Pawn shop one then buys it back for 5% less than what you paid in the first place. Each shop gets their 5%, and you get shiny new cred.

[kzt]

You take your cash, split in two.

You go into the Casino, and walk up to the roulette table. Joe bets his on red, Lisa bets hers on black. Winning go into your pocket. 10 spins later you go cash out your winnings, in nice clean cash.