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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 430 Joined: 28-May 02 Member No.: 2,784 ![]() |
Just a quick question for those of you who practice magic IRL... I've been practicing for a number of years, and I've never experienced anything like the SR concept of Drain when I'm conjuring or energy-moving. If anything, I feel invigorated after my work. The only time I've felt tired is after engaging some kind of negative energy or entity -- which is more akin to SR banishing, cleansing, or astral combat.
Does this mesh with others' experiences, or do you any of you experience a basis for Drain the way SR handles it? --K |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 ![]() |
I am so going to laugh my ass off if the Awakening actually happens and you don't really get any majyckyl powyrz.
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Now now, be nice -- just because you don't believe in his(?) faith is no reason to ridicule it.
Although I must admit, it's never stopped me from heckling the Catholics... -Siege Edit: And while I don't practice such faith personally, it's a common theme in fiction and most RPG systems that casting spells runs the risk of taxing a user's energy. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 ![]() |
Yeah. Look at Raistlin. I bet all 3 million of them are really drained after they cast their spells. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 430 Joined: 28-May 02 Member No.: 2,784 ![]() |
Who are they?
--K |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,112 ![]() |
Drain is a game mechanic, just like recoil, distance modifiers and street index, that limits the power of characters. That said, you can probably be sure that none of the game designers have actually performed magic, if indeed there is such a thing beyond the realm of fiction, so it is unlikely that they have anything to base these mechanics on.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 ![]() |
I have no idea what krishcane's faith even is. I do know that he's made a claim to having mystical powers that, if true, should be objectively verifiable. That is, not a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. And if it's not objectively verifiable, well, that's not very impressive magic in my book. One might even question whether it actually exists, or is merely a product of the practitioner's imagination. Now, I'll admit that it's entirely possible that krishcane, if challenged, would be able to demonstrate said powers. However, given the number of self-proclaimed practitioners of majyck that I've encountered over the years (I've lost count, but it's been quite a few), and the number which have actually demonstrated any paranormal capabilities whatsoever (exactly zero), I'm giving him pretty poor odds. See, if someone claims that God created the universe, I'll shrug and nod. I don't know, I can't know, so it's a matter of faith. However, if someone claims that God has given them the power to walk on water, I'm going to be breaking out the kiddie pool and demanding a demonstration, and if they can't cross it without getting their feet wet, I'll feel no remorse about mocking them as a fool, a fraud, or both. |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
To be clear, Krish didn't make any claims that readily lend themselves to being proven or disproven in my opinion. Kinda like Christians and their prayers, I suppose.
In fact, I likened his statements to the bulldrek of a pseudo-pagan-esque freak I have the misfortune to know who routinely makes vague allusions to his "powers as a magus". It only goes downhill from there. But he (the freak) likens his claims of powers to a religious faith -- not unlike voodoo or Santaria. He knows (more or less) what I think of him and it's not an issue raised in discussion. So, to summarize the reason for my initial post -- regardless of my opinion on the subject, I was trying to avoid the potential this thread had to erupt into a fireball. -Siege |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 3-April 03 Member No.: 4,370 ![]() |
well when i first starting reading this thread i thought it was a joke, but now.... siege, don't stop interfere! you and i both know how hilarious this would turn out if allowed to explode :evil:
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Yeah well, I'm trying not to give the Admins any more headaches.
I remember the detonation of the Lounge and wasn't terribly amused. Sorry to sound sanctimonious -- my head is killing me. -Siege Edit: :nyah: |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 ![]() |
The thing is, Shadowrun magic is readily objectively verifiable. My PC can levitate himself and other things, can hurl lightning from his hands, can kill people just by looking at them, and he's quite capable of demonstrating this, with fair reliability, to any skeptic that might require proof.
That being the case, if krishcane's original post does not constitute a claim to be able to do some things that are readily objectively verifiable, then what he's talking about is not particularly comparable to Shadowrun magic. Comparing them, therefore, is pretty pointless. And if it does constitute a claim to be able to do some things that are objectively verifiable, I, for one, want to see the objective verification. (And I'm trying to be reasonable and not break out the flamethrower... though I'll admit that my initial comment was a little on the inflammatory side. You should see some of the comments that I've typed but didn't post. I'd also have trouble believing that krishcane didn't see this coming.) |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Woah...deja vu.
Fabu, glad that's settled. -Siege |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
Shadowrun magic is very explicitly NOT based on any real-world religions, probably precisely so they could avoid that kind of controversy. Now, various religions with a tradition of "magic" have meshed their belief systems in with magic as it works after the awakening, but you also have people who take a rationalist approach to it, or follow their own ideosyncritic belief systems, and they can cast spells too.
Any kind of belief system can be used as a basis for magic in Shadowrun - it is the belief, not what the belief is in, that lets the awakened character tap into the magic. So, I don't look for any real similarities between Shadowrun magic and anything in the real world - despite the gritty cyberpunk setting, it is high-fantasy magic: tossing fireballs, flying through the air, creating magical force fields, etc. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 26-July 03 Member No.: 5,027 ![]() |
Only would get tired doing something that would take away from ones own energy. Focusing ones energy would raise it, were as just calling out for any spirits in the area to come help you wouldn't take much if any.
No, I don't roll dice every time I banish negative energy or get rid of someone's pain to see if I pass out on the ground afterwards, and I'd probably look quite silly if I did. :D As far as RL magic being possible, minor things at best. If you want actual proof, take careful look at some martial arts. Very basic form of energy focus I learned from such: 1.put arm out, keep muscles relaxed, have someone hold both upper and lower arm and bend arm back at elbow. 2.Repeat, keep muscles tight, try to resist them bending it back. 3.Repeat, imagine solid line/chain between hand and whatever wall your pointing at, keep muscles loose. Now, if done right, 3 they can't bend your arm back, 1 and 2 they can. Since 2 obviously using more physical force then 3, if anyone else can come up with a logical explination without including magic/energy, I'd like to hear it. |
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Senior GM ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 ![]() |
I have walked on water in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and in the mountains near Denver without getting my feet wet. I claim no special powers, and am willing to teach the technique. Some who try it get hurt, but with practice I feel safe using my technique most anywhere. Neither my Dad nor I did it during our last trips to the Holy Lands, but I recently did it in Texas. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 ![]() |
Come to think of it, I've driven on water...
I didn't take any Drain, either. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 ![]() |
I broke my arm walking on water. That's physical drain there, boys and girls.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 ![]() |
Do you really want to know? Obviously in 3 the person is still keeping his muscles tight to resist, consciously or not. If someone is telling you they don't, they are lying. If using imagination to make up a chain helps, it only proves that the brain really has a great deal of control over your whole body, which shouldn't be that surprising anyway. Compare the survival rate of cancer for people who believe they will survive to the people who believe they'll die of it. Or compare the general health of people suffering from depression to people who are generally cheery. Absolutely nothing magical about that whatsoever.
Isn't Raistlin, the legendary goth-nerd-weakling-mage archetype from Weiss & Hickmann's Dragonlance books, cool anymore? I know that name is still used quite a lot online... And he used to cough up blood after every fireball. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Feb 29 2004, 12:53 PM |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Yep -- Raistlin being a singular entity, as opposed to the "they".
Unless he's referring to the hordes of posers copying the name. -Siege |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 ![]() |
I am referring exactly to that particular horde. I am certain a significant portion of them also believe they cough up blood when they toss fireballs.
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Ahhhh.
-Siege |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 3-April 03 Member No.: 4,370 ![]() |
hehe i know someone out of said horde. he bleached his hair, originally black, and got specially made gold-colored contacts with an hour-glass shaped pupil. he looked reaaaaaally funny cause the bleach job wasn't particularly well done, plus he had a wide head, and seeing a guy looking like that working in the grill of a mcdonald's is almost thought-provoking :)
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 ![]() |
Yeah, the thought being..."How hungry am I?"
Followed rapidly by, "The nearest exit is..." That's an image I'm going to have a hard time shaking. -Siege |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 ![]() |
You're obviously not doing it correctly :P |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 ![]() |
What exactly is meant by energy-moving?
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