What's the point of melee? Options

[Nifft]

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

That is a really interesting thought.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

That is already accounted for in the "Gun Weilding Attacker in Melee Combat" penalty (-3 to his ranged attack roll) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[X-Kalibur]

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

That's why you give it melee hardening, take the clubs skill with a specialization for rifle butt, and smack them in the face with it.

[Shinobi Killfist]

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

Hero 4 had a rule like that but it was for differing reaches in melee. If you had a reach 3 weapon and were going against a reach 1 guy you were at like +2 ocv/dcv, if the reach one guy scored a hit on the reach 3 person the bonuses and penalties would reverse under the assumption you got inside there reach. Once you get past the halberds head the guy with the sword has the advantage.

[KarmaInferno]

That's why you give it melee hardening, take the clubs skill with a specialization for rifle butt, and smack them in the face with it.

The Buttstroke. The most hilariously named melee attack since Monkey Steals Peach.

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-karma

[Badmoodguy88]

I thought the buttstroke was an unarmed specialty.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I thought the buttstroke was an unarmed specialty.

I thought it was a Seduction Strategy/Specialty... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[toturi]

I thought it was a Seduction Strategy/Specialty... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Yes, the counterpart to the Breaststroke.

[Thirty Second Ar...]

Yes, the counterpart to the Breaststroke.

I thought that was a specialization of Swimming.

[Lok1 :)]

WIN!

[phlapjack77]

The BreastStroke can be used in conjunction with the StopShort special maneuver

[Saint Sithney]

Extended clip changes the magazine size from 14 to 17-18 (17.5) depending on how generous the GM feels. It's good since it allows you to do a full and long burst with each clip and if it's 18 rounds that lets you do 3 long bursts before reloading!

Since you're going batshit crazy with this, why not just upmod to a 100rnd Drum?

I mean, it's still never going to be as awesome as my High Velocity modded Ares Heavy MP Laser (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
It's completely recoilless! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

[Mäx]

Since you're going batshit crazy with this, why not just upmod to a 100rnd Drum?

I mean, it's still never going to be as awesome as my High Velocity modded Ares Heavy MP Laser (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
It's completely recoilless! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

Both of those ar dissallowed by the rules.

[Voran]

Is the Stopshort considered a specialization of Breaststroke or implied within the grouping?

[Saint Sithney]

Both of those ar dissallowed by the rules.

Well, if you're already breaking the rules, why not go all out?

[Kraegor]

So if I specialize in aiming for the groin with my pistol. Can I specialize in "The Nut Shot"?

[Badmoodguy88]

Can I specialize in "The Nut Shot"?

Sure you are not thinking of the "Moneyshot"?

Or perhaps it is "Beretta Steals Peach".

[Mayhem_2006]

Going back to the original post:

What is the threshold for hearing somebody get stabbed vs the threshhold for hearing somebody get shot with an internally silenced weapon?

[Yerameyahu]

Same threshold, 2. You could try to argue that a 'silent stabbing' is threshold 3 (=='whispering').

[Mäx]

Same threshold, 2. You could try to argue that a 'silent stabbing' is threshold 3 (=='whispering').

ANd a gun with internal silencer reduses the perception pool by 6 dice, so its much harder to notice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Mayhem_2006]

Now that's just silly...

On the plus side, if you slit their throat from behind you are at least close enough to catch the falling body so it doesn't go "thud".

[Emy]

Now that's just silly...

On the plus side, if you slit their throat from behind you are at least close enough to catch the falling body so it doesn't go "thud".

You can do that while using a gun, too. I remember Cobb doing this in Inception.

[CanRay]

You can do that while using a gun, too. I remember Cobb doing this in Inception.

Right, because movies are so accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

IIRC, a WWII British Commando in an interview once stated that while a body makes a bit of noise falling, it was the rifle that actually made the most racket. Unless the guy was REALLY kitted out.

He also pointed out that he used his combat knife for spreading butter on his bread more than anything else, but he always kept it, and kept it sharp.

I also remember hearing about one WWII Canadian Commando that BURIED his knife after the war, and absolutely refused to talk about it at all. Scary fellow, as well. Fell down the stairs once, dead drunk, without making a sound.

[Yerameyahu]

Well, yes, Max. We went over a rundown of the silenced gunfire numbers earlier in the thread; he asked about Threshold. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

ANd a gun with internal silencer reduses the perception pool by 6 dice, so its much harder to notice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

So, you could argue that a silenced gun is as noisier as a knife and give the backstab a -6 penalty to hear as well.