Chemical/genetic questions Options

[Voran]

2 Things I'd like the community to help me with.

1. As I don't have either SOTA 2063 or Man/Machine (and until they start printing them again, it doesn't seem likely :P) I was wondering if someone could give me an update of the Immunization genetic enhancement. If I'm reading the Shadowtech version right, does full spectrum immunization make you immune to any listed versions of poisons (cyanide, nacroject, etc?)? Would a character with full spectrum immunization be generally unaffected by doses of neurostun? What type of consequences would this have to 'good' chemical compounds such as various biotech patches or stuff they use during surgery?

2. I've been knocking around this idea for a chemical concoction and would appreciate community feedback.

After watching a hell of alot of CSI on tv, I notice that blood is frequently used to get DNA fingerprinting to catch the baddy. I'm thinking of adding a chemical to my gameworld that you could dose yourself with before a run, and if you get shot up and leave blood behind, the chemical would react with the standing blood and break it down in a way that would prevent DNA 'fingerprints'.

I'm operating on the premise that the chemical when introduced to a runner's system, wouldn't have any effect as long as the blood kept in motion. I don't have a medical background, so I'd appreciate any corrections, but its my thinking that blood in your body is always in motion. Only pools and stops moving when you croak, or it exits your body. So the chemical would remain inert in the body, only coming into effect when you get hit and leave blood splatters behind.

I was also thinking that this wouldn't be a chemical that would be good to have constantly running in your system. You're meant to dose it before that big corp-Lab run where you don't want to leave any evidence linking you behind. It would last in your system 48 hours or so before becoming ineffective. I'm also thinking you shouldn't dose yourself with it more than once every 2 or 3 weeks. I was looking at the side effects of oxygenated flurocarbons in Shadowtech, and kinda liked the idea of there being problems if you didn't let the previous dose fully breakdown.

As mentioned, any comments (constructive I hope, hehe) would be appreciated.

[Siege]

Neat idea in theory, but it would be difficult to create a drug that knows when it's no longer in your system.

And if environmental conditions change that makes the drug think it's outside your body while it's inside your body and starts to break down your DNA...well...um...ouch.

-Siege

[Nath]

Actually, SOTA:2063 pushed the total immunization through the door while flying at 10,000 feet. It is no longer available and the flovor text says it never was really total, only limited to a range of common intoxication. Some guy bought it and got negligent about hyegene, he caught some very exotic diseases and sued the company. As the result no corp dare to market a treatment as a full spectrum immunization.

[Nikoli]

As for the breaking down of blood, a far simpler thing is to have some spray cans with amonia. It'll render the blood useless.

[Rev]

I can think of a few ways to do it:

Nanobots.
Bad effect: really expensive.

An enzyme/chemical that functions only well below body temperature.
Bad effect: if you get real cold extremeties it starts working doing damage to you like a poison.

Carcerands full of dna, etc designed to contaminate the sample making it useless for testing. This would even work on blood they extracted from you by needle.
Bad effect: no (standard) dna test will work on you at all until they clear, so a positive t# modifier for medical healing / surgery tests beyond first aid.

[Siege]

[Fahr]

for chemical decomposition of blood once it leaves the body... I would think nanites would be good for this, or a chemical that reacted to UV light, after all, that is how they FIND the blood spatters to get the dna from (assuming you didn't just bleed all over the floor) plus if it is flourecent lighting, it would react too... only, don't go out and get a tan, it could be ummm... .detrimental to your health :D

-Mike R.

[Nikoli]

Thanks for the catch Siege.

[Siege]

[Nikoli]

Of course the SSG has robotic drones whose only job is to run around cleaning. That could be useful.

[Voran]

Heh, granted the bleach idea is a real world/lowtech version that works, but it also depends on making sure you find each blood splotch. I'm trying to find a way do that on 'automatic' of sorts. I appreciate all the feedback so far. What's really tweaking my brain is finding a way to do it, without having that unfortunate side effect of eating your blood up...while its still inside your body :P

[Voran]

On a side note, its interesting to me to see how my thoughts on running have changed ever since CSI came on the air. My first thought was "Jesus, I leave alot of tracks I didn't realize I was leaving". Since then I've added more care into my SR approach. I stop trying to find that perfectly tweaked gun, instead I find a nice general model that has decent add-ons, but one I won't mind ditching. Or if I do have to keep the same gun, tools to swap out or modify barrels so ballistics won't be able to match bullets I left in the walls (or guards!) back to any weapons I carry or store. My favorite toy-design I've come up with so far....


Intruder Shoes. Used as a 'one shot' effect. Basically boots with a memory-plastic type sole. You leave one set of tracks while you're in the building, just after you successfully ditch the zone and are sitting in the riggers extraction vehicle speeding away on your merry way, you hit the catalyst switch and your soles change back to the originally imprinted sole. Thus you will have a pair of boots that can never be linked back to that particular crime.

[Nikoli]

Too pricey, pair of boots froma 'flats' machine does the same trick, you then drop them off at another machine and they go on to some other poor schmuck.

[Siege]

[Voran]

[Nikoli]

:vegm:
Bleach grenade. I love it.
Buy them by the case, set them to the same frequency and position them along the walls as you make your way in, on the way out, bamn, insta-clean and anyone not wearing chem suits just got a chemical peel the hard way.

[Voran]

Its fun to start with an idea, and end up with a completely different idea, that ends up being way cooler. :love:

Wouldn't be as effective in a street/outdoor environment but I've got a new idea how to end my break-ins at labs and such. Vandalism is an juicy bonus :)

[Nikoli]

especially when it gives tha Man the Finger. Bleach does wonders for fancy wall paint and FAB enclosures too I'd imagine.

[Neruda's Ghost]

[Nikoli]

[Siege]

For that matter, a cortex bomb with nanites or biological matter that just eats, melts or otherwise consumes organic matter.

-Siege

[nezumi]

How do plateletes know its not in your bloodstream any more? Obviously, there's something that triggers them, hook that up with your anti-DNA idea. That means they'll act up whenever you get a cut, but that isn't too horrible if you pair it up with...

Kill white blood cells (or only taget their DNA). They're the only cells in your blood with the DNA. Since white blood cells don't make more blood cells (they're produced elsewhere) and it doesn't help them work, it really doesn't matter that much if they go off accidentally. You don't need the blueprints once the house is built.

[Voran]

Definately going to use the bleach-bomb idea, but looking back on the original chem-thingie.

Does anyone know if my previous thought on 'blood is always moving in the body' is valid? I assume as long as the heart pumps, blood is always going, dunno if it sorta pools anywhere in your system or not, or even slows down to the point where its almost pooling, but not quite.

I do like the suggested temperature sensitive trigger though. Wonder if that would have an added benefit when you nail a ghoul with it...

[Rev]

I know that unmoving blood has a tendancy to clot, which makes me realize that perhaps you could tie it into the biochemical clotting cascade (there is this huge chain of things that trigger other things that trigger other things and so on) somewhere. The unmoving blood clotting thing is one of the problems with artificial hearts. Nowdays they design them so that there are no stagnant volumes.

[Czar Eggbert]

I might tie it into to moisture, thats the only real chemical change I can see with blood outside the body. Better yet have it tied to moisture, tempature, and possably UV light.


_The Eggman