Nanite transfusions?, Care to swap a little lymph? |
Nanite transfusions?, Care to swap a little lymph? |
Oct 3 2010, 08:35 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
So a nanohive acts as a safe haven which allows nanites to replicate, but is otherwise not needed for nanites to function. Many of the nanite systems are 0-Essence-cost bonuses which can be enjoyed in multitudinous flavors and grades. Without the nanohive, the grades diminish at a rate of 1 point per week.
But what if you didn't need the nanohive in you? What if you just siphoned enough nanites from another character's nanohive to keep yours from degrading? Weekly injections. Say someone else had a rating 2 hive and only one nanite colony? That hive should, theoretically, be able to produce enough fresh nanites for an additional person. Naturally, you'd need a Type-O host to produce the extra nanites for transplantation. What if you went even further though? What if you got, say, gen-engineered pig without cell markers or something? Type-O pork. If you had an animal to act as a host, you could stuff the bastard full of nanites and then just milk the machines from its freakish nanohive glands. Does this idea break everything? You betcha. Is it viable or realistic? Probably. |
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Oct 3 2010, 08:42 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
So a nanohive acts as a safe haven which allows nanites to replicate, but is otherwise not needed for nanites to function. Many of the nanite systems are 0-Essence-cost bonuses which can be enjoyed in multitudinous flavors and grades. Without the nanohive, the grades diminish at a rate of 1 point per week. But what if you didn't need the nanohive in you? What if you just siphoned enough nanites from another character's nanohive to keep yours from degrading? Weekly injections. Say someone else had a rating 2 hive and only one nanite colony? That hive should, theoretically, be able to produce enough fresh nanites for an additional person. Naturally, you'd need a Type-O host to produce the extra nanites for transplantation. What if you went even further though? What if you got, say, gen-engineered pig without cell markers or something? Type-O pork. If you had an animal to act as a host, you could stuff the bastard full of nanites and then just milk the machines from its freakish nanohive glands. Does this idea break everything? You betcha. Is it viable or realistic? Probably. I don't see the need for type-O at all. Nanites are just nanites there is no need for type-O at all. Even soft nanites would be fine to "transplant" if you can get them minus the blood. Not that hard you you need is a cybergland/autoinjector and to reprogram them to go to it. |
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Oct 3 2010, 09:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Well, I was thinking Type-O for the soft ones specifically, since they're technically organic machines, so I could see there being problems transfusing some made in one host to another. Though, there's no rules for any of this shit, so it's all just chatter...
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Oct 3 2010, 10:00 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
The nanohive does not need a living being to produce nanites — it can even store spares. So with some tinkering, you can build a nanite dispernser yourself. Instead of just replenishing.
This basically saves you money in the long run, after some investment up front: Instead of having to buy the final product, you buy raw material and fab. The regeneration rate is useless even if implanted, anyway — personally, I houseruled it to 1 point per day. That's still way slower than healing physical damage, mind you… |
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Oct 3 2010, 10:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
So, find someone with a nanohive, take it, and have X# nanites available to you forever at no cost.
This doesn't sound right... |
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Oct 3 2010, 11:25 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
So, find someone with a nanohive, take it, and have X# nanites available to you forever at no cost. This doesn't sound right... Technology meets game design. Technology wants to be more efficient, game design doesn't actually want people to get a free (too cheap) lunch. It's analogous to the downloading/pirating/copying of software, really. |
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Oct 3 2010, 12:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
You still have to reload the nanohive (Ratingx500 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) every 6 mont), no matter *where* it is, in your body, in someone (or something) else's body, or sitting on shelf plugged to a power supply, as Shadowrun's state of technology does not yet allow nanites able to self-reproduce from basic raw materials.
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Oct 3 2010, 02:57 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
You still have to reload the nanohive (Ratingx500 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) every 6 mont), no matter *where* it is, in your body, in someone (or something) else's body, or sitting on shelf plugged to a power supply, as Shadowrun's state of technology does not yet allow nanites able to self-reproduce from basic raw materials. And for a damn good reason. |
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Oct 3 2010, 03:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
I was under the assumption that the nano-hive replenishes nanites at roughly the same rate that your body flushes them out/the nanites break down.
So you could siphon 1 point a week from someone, but theirs would reduce 1 point a week, as their nanohive is not designed to restore their systems that quickly. |
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Oct 3 2010, 03:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 227 |
But what if you didn't need the nanohive in you? What if you just siphoned enough nanites from another character's nanohive to keep yours from degrading? Weekly injections. Say someone else had a rating 2 hive and only one nanite colony? That hive should, theoretically, be able to produce enough fresh nanites for an additional person. Naturally, you'd need a Type-O host to produce the extra nanites for transplantation. What if you went even further though? What if you got, say, gen-engineered pig without cell markers or something? Type-O pork. If you had an animal to act as a host, you could stuff the bastard full of nanites and then just milk the machines from its freakish nanohive glands. Why even put the nanohive inside a living creature? If it can go inside a cyberarm, it can go in a case on your bedside table. Actually, under the current rules you could buy one of those detachable limbs and put a nanohive in it- without actually ever implanting it. Not sure it would benefit you at all, but.... |
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Oct 3 2010, 11:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Why even put the nanohive inside a living creature? If it can go inside a cyberarm, it can go in a case on your bedside table. Actually, under the current rules you could buy one of those detachable limbs and put a nanohive in it- without actually ever implanting it. Not sure it would benefit you at all, but.... You might be on to something here.. |
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Oct 4 2010, 03:48 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
"Dude, I have to ask... why do you always have a cyberhand strapped to your thigh?"
-k |
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Oct 4 2010, 03:57 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I think it's a little premature to say that a living body isn't required on the logic that you can put in in a cyberlimb. After all, the cyberlimb is connected to your living body. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The hive is constantly working to maintain levels in your body, not flooding you with a new dose and then shutting down for a week.
It does certainly seem reasonable that 'external' nanite-makers exist; after all, where do you *buy* the original treatments from? I don't think it really 'breaks' anything, either. Require raw materials, and you get what you pay for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Oct 4 2010, 04:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Also: a nanohive is the best cyberware for a drake ever. Nanites still function in drake form, and losing a few hours here and there isn't going to effect their rating that much, if at all.
Shame that there aren't any good nanite systems that make the 1 essence worth it. |
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Oct 4 2010, 05:24 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Do they? They're an augmentation, and no augmentations work in drake form.
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Oct 4 2010, 06:53 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Nanocybernetics are not Nanite systems, though.
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Oct 4 2010, 07:34 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
I was under the assumption that the nano-hive replenishes nanites at roughly the same rate that your body flushes them out/the nanites break down. It replenishes degraded colonies by 1 point per week, as well as preventing degradation through time. So basically, by RAW, it's worth 2 points per week. |
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Oct 4 2010, 09:31 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Well, my "balance?" suggestion was originally to be able to siphon nanites off someone without theirs degrading if they had a Nanohive capable of holding more colonies than they were currently using.
So, rating 2 nanohive with only one colony produces enough nanites for the guy's Adept friend to keep the little buddies flowing through his veins. As to needing a living host, my assumption was that a hive in a cyberlimb was still hooked into the person's lymphatic system through some sort of tube and gasket system. Sort of how a cybergland/autoinjector can still pump helping happy things straight into your veins. |
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Oct 4 2010, 02:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Do they? They're an augmentation, and no augmentations work in drake form. I'm AFB at the moment, but I was under the impression that nanites themselves weren't an augmentation, but closer to a drug. There's no reason why they wouldn't work in drake form (unlike cyber arms, cyberlungs, and various other 'ware: things stop fitting properly). But it's a moot point, as no nanites are worth having as a drake ("ooooh...a +Rating bonus to logic linked skill tests in quote 'non-stressful situations.' I can totally see THAT being helpful: nearly all ShadowRuns are stressful!") |
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Oct 4 2010, 02:31 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Universal Nantidote, O-Cells and Oxyrush are always worth having — as is Antirad, if necessary.
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Oct 4 2010, 02:54 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Universal Nantidote, O-Cells and Oxyrush are always worth having — as is Antirad, if necessary. You get two before going over the 1 essence required for a nanohive to keep the nanites 'healthy.' Are two of those worth -1 magic? -1 Magic on a drake that's already BP strapped? |
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Oct 4 2010, 03:12 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Well, the whole point of this thread is about not implanting the nanohive.
And of course, nanites don't need a nano hive to work — that's just more convenient & cheaper in the long run. So we are not really talking starting one-shot characters, either. |
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Oct 4 2010, 03:28 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Well, the whole point of this thread is about not implanting the nanohive. And of course, nanites don't need a nano hive to work — that's just more convenient & cheaper in the long run. So we are not really talking starting one-shot characters, either. While true, I was commenting on the "standard" way of doing things. If you're going to bend the rules such that you don't need to implant it (and we're talking still 6 essence here) then it only matters if a drake can take nanites in both forms (I says they does, but meh). |
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Oct 5 2010, 06:01 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Outside of combat and other specifically defined restrictions, "High Stress" is determined by composure tests. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
As long as you can manage 1 hit on a Cha + Wil test, then you can benefit from Neural Amplifier Nanite bonuses. Need to crack a maglock? Perceive possible danger? How about a Knowledge Skill test? Wireless signal Capture? A simple Data Search? Medicine test? There are lots and lots of Logic and Intuition linked skills, and, most of the time, they're not used in combat. |
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Oct 5 2010, 01:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Point, however for my character at the time it wasn't worth the cost.
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