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 Oct 27 2010, 07:44 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,753  |
Do toxins require an attack roll? For example, if Gronk the ganger wants to use his cheap pepper punch on the unsuspecting runner, what rules are used to actually hit the runner? Does he default to his Agility with an opposed Reaction roll? I can't see where a specific skill would apply. Or does it automatically administer and you move to toxin resistance test?
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Oct 27 2010, 07:52 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Depends on the weapon you use to deliver. Toxins come in many packages: Grenades, capsule-rounds, spray guns, waterballons, injection darts, needles.
I think you specifically think about a spray? Well... i guess it would be: Exotic Weapon: Spraygun (Or maybe the splash?). And yes... most people would default. (Have you ever seen anyone training to use mace?) |
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Oct 27 2010, 07:56 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Ha, how about that… I don't think the books have any rules for your normal can of pepper spray. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Splash *guns*, sure, but mace? What a silly oversight.
Anyway, it would be a ranged attack roll, and using a syringe would be a melee attack roll. |
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Oct 27 2010, 08:01 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Oh... and just to add something on: I guess that normal spary have a "choke" setting... making hitting easier (like a shotgun rulewise). But more intense. Maybe around -3 dodge? Of course their range is pretty much total crap. (But i have heard that the stuff "stays" a bit in the air... so anyone running through it might get himself a bit into the eyes.
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Oct 27 2010, 08:08 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,753 |
Sounds reasonable to me. Thanks guys for the quick clarification.
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Oct 27 2010, 08:20 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yeah, you do need to be very close. But don't liquid sprays pretty much squirt out a single stream? Not really a 'shotgun spread'. If you were spraying gas, that's different: more like a handheld gas grenade in function?
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Oct 27 2010, 08:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
Ah yes... you are right, modern sprays have a constant line, not a cone, and even quite a bit range. (But i think one could modify it). Also i didn't know what i was thinking -3 would be epic. -1 MAYBE -2 for a spray (not the line though) would be enough.
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Oct 27 2010, 08:42 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That sounds good, it will offset the Defaulting penalty a little.
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Oct 27 2010, 09:40 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,753 |
Hell, if we have these now, I'm sure in 2070 they could be a viable way to use pepper punch. It also make the Pistols skill a little more useful for toxins.
Pepper Spray Gun |
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Oct 28 2010, 12:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 26-August 10 From: Greensboro, NC Member No.: 18,971 |
Holy Crap, I want one of those!
Also, from what I've been told by an LEO, you can spray mace on clothing, and it will still cause irritation if donned later. Say a cop chases some bad sort out of their squat or something, and they are felling surly and vindictive since they didn't make an arrest. Douse their clothes, and go on your way. |
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Oct 28 2010, 01:42 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
How widely used is actual mace, though? I didn't think civilians were even able to buy it. Or did he mean that about pepper spray?
Even in pistol shape, that's not the Pistols skill. |
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Oct 28 2010, 04:52 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
Cold Steel's Inferno Spray is a good representation of Pepper Punch. I'd use either a straight defaulted skill or place it with some DMSO and a slap patch and enjoy the +2 dicepool for a Touch Attack. It's also a good representation of how cheap and easy it is to obtain and it even has a page for the legality of the item.
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