 Invisibility and the astral plane |
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 Nov 12 2010, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 10-August 10 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 18,916  |
So I was going to have an invisible mage stalk my group one of these days and it got me thinking...
Does invisibility only work on the physical plane? I know improved works on devices and normal only works on sight. Doesn't any kind of spell leave a trail in the astral plane? Can any astral-friendly awakened character basically negate invisibility just by sticking their head into the astral plane? |
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Nov 12 2010, 08:39 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (yesferatu @ Nov 12 2010, 03:35 PM)  Can any astral-friendly awakened character basically negate invisibility just by sticking their head into the astral plane? Yes. Which is why you always use Concealment. Negative dice pool mods on EVERY AND ALL PERCEPTION CHECKS wins every time. |
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Nov 12 2010, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 10-August 10 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 18,916 |
Isn't concealment a critter-only power?
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Nov 12 2010, 09:49 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
You use a 'critter': spirits. Also, pixies can Conceal themselves, but screw pixies.
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Nov 12 2010, 11:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 11-October 09 From: Des Moines, IA Member No.: 17,742 |
You could just create a spell that blocks Astral Perception?
The spells in the books need not be the only spells that exist in the world. |
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Nov 13 2010, 12:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 492 Joined: 28-July 09 Member No.: 17,440 |
While yes you could theoretically create an illusion spell on the astral that hides things inside it, it would be obvious that there is a spell in that place from the aura and obvious as an illusion to an assensing test.
Though you could theoretically use it to block LOS if you can manage to have the onlooker fail the Willpower + Counterspelling, they'd know it's an illusion but still have to see it and can't see THROUGH it. They might also get a bonus to their roll due to knowing it's an illusion, or maybe I have the wrong game system. |
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Nov 13 2010, 05:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 11-October 09 From: Des Moines, IA Member No.: 17,742 |
I see no reason why you couldn't create a spell that not only hides a subject on the Astral but also hides the aura of any spells active on that subject as well. Unless there is some rule I'm missing somewhere that precludes it.
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Nov 13 2010, 07:26 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's not clear that's something magic can do.
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Nov 13 2010, 12:11 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
Perhaps the rule that all spells show up astrally?
QUOTE =Draco]Yes. Which is why you always use Concealment. Negative dice pool mods on EVERY AND ALL PERCEPTION CHECKS wins every time. Shouldnt work. there is no Perception test on the astral plane. Most things are immediately obvious (looking like a kid throw up fruity pebbles, after all. if an astral being is trying to hide, then you astrally observe in detail, using an Assensing test (emphasis mine, p. 182, SR4) The critter power specifically states it affects Perception tests. |
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Nov 13 2010, 12:18 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
SR4A explicitly states that Concealment also works against Astral Perception.
Not against Matrix Perception though to mitigate the silliness. |
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Nov 13 2010, 02:57 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 12 2010, 04:49 PM) Also, pixies can Conceal themselves, but screw pixies. That could get messy. -k |
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Nov 13 2010, 03:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
You could manage a negative dice pool modifier for astral perception by causing background count with a spell.
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Nov 13 2010, 06:10 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Manastatic does not move with anyone who you want to conceal, and it fades in a couple of hours.
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Nov 13 2010, 06:55 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,681 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
The metamagic Extended Masking and the Free Spirit power Aura Masking would cover the Illusion spell, even on the astral.
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