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 Mar 11 2004, 01:30 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022  |
I think I used to read in a thread that the 2001 attacks in NYC didn't occur in the SR storyline, but actually they did... and the Twin Towers were destroyed in 2001, not during the 2005 quake. Especially useless, ain't it ? |
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Mar 11 2004, 02:26 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They did?
Not that it matters. Regardless of what happened before, the Quake of '05 trumped everything. ~J |
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Mar 11 2004, 04:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Good thing I got earthquake insurance from that nice door-to-door salesman.
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Mar 11 2004, 05:18 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
What are you basing this on? |
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Mar 11 2004, 05:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
Don't have the book with me right now, but it's in Deutschland in den Schatten 2 (Germany in the Shadows), under the GroB-Frankfurt entry. They say after the WTC collapse city authorities opposed the construction of too many new skyscrapers, what made the banks scream. It makes sense since the book was published right after Sept. 11th (there's even a mention of it in the Foreword IIRC). I guess Fuchi would have built its tower on the former WTC site, or it bought whatever new tower was (will...) be built there, "Liberty Tower" or something. BTW, are you American folks going to do what you did with French Fries ? Call it the French Tower ? :grinbig: |
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Mar 11 2004, 06:12 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Wouldn't push the "French" thing w/ the average American, mate. Especially in the same sentance you make light of the 9/11 incident. Just some friendly advice.
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Mar 11 2004, 06:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 5-March 04 From: UK Member No.: 6,125 |
Look, I'm a Brit and I would cut him some slack. The whole 'Freedom Fries' thing scares me...
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Mar 11 2004, 06:46 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
As an american, the whole freedom fries thing I find just funny. it mainly stems from the idea that the american people don't like it when a nation who claims to be an ally makes shady deals with someone funding attacks directly or indirectly. The general populace feels France, as a nation betrayed them as a nation, it's that simple. But it's not the point of this thread so :noflame:.
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Mar 11 2004, 06:50 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I did cut him slack. I just forgot the obligatory :) at the of "...friendly advice"
I didn't take offense at his statement eventhough I, like many people, know someone that lost his life that day. Thats all I'm saying. As far as SR altering its timeline to reflect the events of that day, I agree that the 05 quake sets the scene well enough. Then no one has to go into all the political "stuff" that has transpired between now and then. BTW, what does being British have to do this? Is this about some Americans getting all ticked off at the French and renaming a delicious side dish? Oh, and they were "Freedom Fries" not "Liberty Fries" :) |
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Mar 11 2004, 06:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,912 |
the french thing really isn't a big deal, if you look at it. 9/11 is, but france isn't. The media makes it a huge deal, much the way it made the east coast/west coast rap rivalry into a real war (of sorts).
France has helped and hindered the US many times in the past. We wouldn't have won the revolutionary war without their navy, but we also wouldn't have been involved in the vietnam war if it wasn't for france. Love them, Hate them, or feel indifferent, you have to admit that renaming things because the have the word "french" in them is pretty silly. |
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Mar 11 2004, 06:54 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
And I do.
Besides, I don't think I could ever Freedom kiss my wife. just doesn't sound right. |
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Mar 11 2004, 06:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,912 |
:rotfl:
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Mar 11 2004, 07:00 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
:biggrin:
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Mar 11 2004, 07:04 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
US refused to back the French with air support at Dien Bien Phu in 1954. France lost the Indochina War, signed peace in 1954 and left. Then only the US started backing the South Vietnamese against the North communists, which escalated into Vietnam War. No matter what's said about the long-living alliance, the special relationsips, the Western Democracies and all those things, US played an active role in the disintegration of both the French and British colonial empires after WW2. |
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Mar 11 2004, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,912 |
good point nath. I spoke a bit incorrectly. i didn't mean that the french directly got the US involved, Just that circumstances involving france (i.e. their recognition of vietnam as a free state and such) led up to the US being involved. hindered was too strong a word to use. sorry.
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Mar 11 2004, 08:49 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Hmm, first time the SR history is altered for reality. They shouldn't have done that, IMO. I shall choose to ignore it.
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Mar 11 2004, 09:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
The ownership of DaimlerBenz passed from IFMU in Germany SB to Chrysler-Nissan in Rigger3 with no other reason than because Chrysler and Daimler merged IRL. Rigger3 got pretty heavy on that, also adding McDonnel-Douglas to Federated-Boeing holdings. IIRC the fate of Lockheed also changed since NAGNA and mirrored RL events. At least, including the World Trade Center crashes did not contradict any previous book. |
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Mar 11 2004, 11:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
AFAIK, the Shadowrun timeline diverges from the 1980s and onwards.
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Mar 11 2004, 11:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
I'm sincerely sorry if I've offensed you, really. I don't understand what you mean by "French thing": Do you mean I shouldn't joke about something I find terribly silly, and that some Americans decided to implement ? I won't start a geopolitical debate with you, even though I support France's stance in what regards the war in Irak. My question wasn't supposed to hurt anyone, just to highlight a point I found funny -and I mean the French/Freedom thing, NOT the 9/11 (no relation between both, remember ?). And I can't see where I made "light" of the incident. If it's forbidden to talk about dramatic events in RPGs, write off every war reference. Just a friendly comment. |
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Mar 11 2004, 11:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
What do you mean there ? France funfing Al-Quaeda ?! |
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Mar 11 2004, 11:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
It could be as much as 1977. That year the British Aerospace Company (BAE) and Hawker-Siddeley merged to become British Aerospace (BAe). There are references to BAC and Hawker-Siddeley in vehicles lists (including the BAC-Dassault-MMB EFA Variants), even if SOTA:2063 also mentionned BAE... Well, of course, you could also argue several key NPCs of SR early timeline like Dniel Coleman aren't born. And, in fact, the dwarf kingdom of Throal didn't exist :| |
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Mar 11 2004, 11:35 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
And if you consider ED history to be SR history, then the two universes diverged about 13.7 billion years ago.
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Mar 11 2004, 11:59 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
No, I meant France buying oil from Iraq while it was under the trade embargo imposed by the UN |
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Mar 12 2004, 12:16 AM
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Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997 |
Just a friendly reminder (as I'm sure we all see how close this is or could be to the line) that we need to keep this discussion on Shadowrun and how the events affect Shadowrun. Don't get off-topic, even "just to say one thing quick", or the topic will have to be shut down.
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Mar 12 2004, 12:19 AM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Good point, and my apologies to my fellow Dumpshockers for continuing it.
And, back the the SR timeline, IIRC there were many more terrorist attacks that happened after 2001. It is conceivable that by the time we catch up to the 2060's the painful memory of the WTC attacks has faded and not seen as such a traumatizing event when compared to many other events. It is still remembered but more likely it is by either the Octogenarians that were there or the younger historians. |
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