 "special chamber design" = Gas-Vent System? |
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  Nov 25 2010, 03:23 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 6-August 10 From: Germany Member No.: 18,900  |
I assume that this question has been brought up a dozen times on this forum. Nevertheless I'd like to have a definite answer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
How do I have to understand the sentence "[...] the Alpha includes [...] a special chamber design that provides 2 points of recoil compensation"? (SR4a p. 318, but I know that is has been there since SR2) Is it a needlessly complicated description for the fact that the Ares Alpha (or other weapons like the P93 Praetor) has a rating 2 Gas-Vent System? Or does it say that the Ares Alpha incorporates a different kind of RC that is compatible with a Gas-Vent System? |
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Nov 25 2010, 03:33 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 |
Its somethimg special
Its not a Gas vent Its compatible with a Gas vent. with a definitive Dance Medicineman |
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Nov 25 2010, 03:54 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Gas Vent systems are a barrel modification. You can tell because it's mutually exclusive with a sound suppressor.
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Nov 25 2010, 05:04 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That, and they fit a barrel slot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nov 25 2010, 05:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Eisenbeiß @ Nov 25 2010, 12:23 PM)  I assume that this question has been brought a dozen times on this forum. Nevertheless I'd like to have a definite answer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) How do I have to understand the sentence "[...] the Alpha includes [...] a special chamber design that provides 2 points of recoil compensation"? (SR4a p. 318, but I know that is has been there since SR2) Is it a needlessly complicated description for the fact that the Ares Alpha (or other weapons like the P93 Praetor) has a rating 2 Gas-Vent System? Or does it say that the Ares Alpha incorporates a different kind of RC that is compatible with a Gas-Vent System? It's a hiper-ultra-mega-kamehameha chamber that "magically" reduces the recoil by 2 points, cumulative with everything. Even being a forbidden rifle, I feel it is too cheap and with a low availability rating. |
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Nov 25 2010, 05:22 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
But there are lots of crazy things like that in the gear section. Enjoy. And if you're the GM, maybe punish your runners now and then for carrying gear that only the military is supposed to have. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 25 2010, 06:30 PM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
Man, wait til you guys see War! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)
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Nov 25 2010, 07:39 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Method @ Nov 25 2010, 03:30 PM) Man, wait til you guys see War! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) Do you say that as wishful thinking or with actual inside knowledge? |
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Nov 25 2010, 09:11 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,042 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 25 2010, 06:11 PM) Even being a forbidden rifle, I feel it is too cheap and with a low availability rating. It is only AV F because of the grenade launcher. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Bye Thanee |
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Nov 25 2010, 09:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 894 Joined: 5-May 10 Member No.: 18,556 |
That might seem like an obvious answer but doesn't hold up in the face of Arsenal.
The M22A3 has a GL but is rated R. The Semopal vz/88V and HK G12A3z have no underbarrel weapons but are still rated F |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:07 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 3-October 09 Member No.: 17,706 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 26 2010, 01:54 AM) Gas Vent systems are a barrel modification. You can tell because it's mutually exclusive with a sound suppressor. Not true....you can have a gas vent mounted with a suppressor (the ingram smartgun has them both as standard features) You just cant use them both at the same time... |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
The chamber, um, moves. Uh, yeah. So it doesn't recoil. See?
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Nov 25 2010, 11:42 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Aarakin @ Nov 25 2010, 06:07 PM) You just cant use them both at the same time... Hence mutually exclusive. |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:58 PM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 25 2010, 01:39 PM) Do you say that as wishful thinking or with actual inside knowledge? Probably a little bit of both... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) I sense that this thread is about to degenerate into an attempt to apply real world firearms logic to SR. That way madness lies... |
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Nov 26 2010, 03:51 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 25 2010, 06:42 PM) Hence mutually exclusive. Mutually exclusive in use, not mutually exclusive in existence. A weapon can support both, but a weapon cannot use both at the same time. So, mutually exclusive only in a particular way. |
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Nov 26 2010, 04:17 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 25 2010, 10:51 PM) Mutually exclusive in use, not mutually exclusive in existence. A weapon can support both, but a weapon cannot use both at the same time. So, mutually exclusive only in a particular way. Yes, which is exactly what I meant. Do I have to start being very clear cut and spell things out or can people go "that makes sense" and leave it well enough alone? |
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Nov 26 2010, 04:20 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 23-February 10 Member No.: 18,192 |
Given that "Special chamber design" is has to do with the chamber, and gas-vent is a barrel modification, and that the chamber and barrel are two different parts of the gun, it's probably safe to say they're not the same thing, and can even be used together.
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Nov 26 2010, 04:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 25 2010, 10:17 PM) Yes, which is exactly what I meant. Do I have to start being very clear cut and spell things out or can people go "that makes sense" and leave it well enough alone? Well, you're on dumpshock so.... |
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Nov 26 2010, 04:25 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Faraday @ Nov 25 2010, 11:21 PM) Well, you're on Fixed that for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) Every day I find new levels of resentment/hatred/loathing for everyone outside my monkeysphere. |
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Nov 26 2010, 01:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 222 Joined: 12-July 10 Member No.: 18,814 |
QUOTE (Method @ Nov 25 2010, 06:58 PM) I sense that this thread is about to degenerate into an attempt to apply real world firearms logic to SR. That way madness lies... There are plenty of RL firearms that have little tricks built in to help reduce recoil, particularly usefull on the lighter polymer frame weapons. |
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Nov 26 2010, 01:49 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 13-July 09 Member No.: 17,389 |
TL;DR
Gas Vent is a system that is located at the end of the barrel of a fire arm to vent exhaust gas in directions other than out the front of the barrel in order to counter balance the recoil and barrel drift caused by the exhaust gases coming out the barrel. The chamber of a weapon is where the bullets are loaded just prior to firing and consists of the moving parts responsible for loading new cartridges and ejecting spent ones. These are modifications to separate parts of the weapon and recoil modifiers from them stack. |
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Nov 26 2010, 07:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 6-August 10 From: Germany Member No.: 18,900 |
Many thanks for your answers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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