Threading Options

[Grinder]

Here's how Netherwalk works in the current edition of Earthdawn:

The adept sends his spirit forth to walk through astral space. This
talent is used infrequently, as its use poses grave danger to the
adept. The adept’s spirit can move about in astral form for Netherwalk
Test minutes, but must return to his body before the talent ends, or it
becomes separated. Should this happen, the adept dies and his spirit
is doomed to wander astral space. The adept may end his Netherwalk
at any time once his spirit has re-entered his body. While in astral
space, the adept can pass through many barriers that exist only in
the physical world. Any attempts to pass through objects with a
True Pattern require the adept to make a Netherwalk Test against
the object’s Spell Defense. If successful, he can continue on past the
obstacle. When traveling in astral space, the adept can move no faster
than his Movement Rate. During the time he spends Netherwalking,
the adept exposes himself to the dangers of astral space. Each
minute of travel, the adept suffers damage dependent on the level of
astral corruption in the region, as determined by the gamemaster.
The adept’s natural Mystic Armor protects against this damage. The
Netherwalk Damage Table shows the damage that an adept takes
during each minute of travel, based on the astral region’s classification.
This talent also allows the adept to use the astral pollution to
his advantage, obscuring
him from the view
of any astral denizens
or characters viewing
astral space. This
obscuring effect is also
dependent on the type
of astral region through
which the adept is traveling.
The pollution adds a bonus to the adept’s Spell Defense, as
shown in the Netherwalk Table, based on the region’s classification.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

EDIT: Never Mind... Beat to the Punch apparently...

[Neraph]

And here I sat thinking that we were on a Shadowrun forum...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And here I sat thinking that we were on a Shadowrun forum...

Indeed we are Neraph, Indeed we are... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[sabs]

So Netherwalk is a special adept power to do what every Shadowrun Mage can do with a 1 magic skill?

[hermit]

It used to be more. Boy have they nerfed ED magics.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

It used to be more. Boy have they nerfed ED magics.

Maybe because Shadowrun is not Earthdawn... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Grinder]

It used to be more. Boy have they nerfed ED magics.

What? It didn't change much from EDC to ED 3rd edition.

[hermit]

Uhm, okay. Maybe I mixed up terms. This "teleport through astral travel, taking your body ontot the planes" power, what was it'S name again?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Uhm, okay. Maybe I mixed up terms. This "teleport through astral travel, taking your body ontot the planes" power, what was it'S name again?

Astral Gateway perhaps? A Power that only Certain Spirits possess by the way...

[Valashar]

I personally do not like the idea of repeat threading to get whatever value CF you feel like, all in the span of no time at all.

If you've got a player thinking they can use this for the easy 12, let them. And while they're doing it, total up all of their hits on the bypassed rolls and then add that total to the hits they use on the last one for a Scanners-esque hit of fading. And if they try the previously mentioned declaring the use of zero hits on the bypassed rolls, don't let them. It's a non-action taking the amount of time a thought needs to cross a few neurons. They don't get the luxury of micromanaging.

Netherwalking is 'teleporting', using a metaplane like the Room Of White With A Shitload Of Doors from Matrix to get from A to B (like a spirit can), bypassing ANY kind of worldly or even astral security. It's a 9th circle Nethermancer skill in Earthdawn, IIRC. Technomancers can hack ANY system via Resonance Space. ANY. Even a system that is totally isolated from everything. That's matrix netherwalking - using the matrix metaplanes to get from A to B.

Technmancers cannot use their own skills, or even echos to use the realms to access any system anywhere. Doing so requires them to undergo a resonance quest to locate the specific realm that contains those connections and another effort to locate the one, single connection out of the many billions that would lead them to their target. All of which is full of the kinds of unique mental and personal peril that only an astral/resonance quest can contain.

[tagz]

If you've got a player thinking they can use this for the easy 12, let them. And while they're doing it, total up all of their hits on the bypassed rolls and then add that total to the hits they use on the last one for a Scanners-esque hit of fading. And if they try the previously mentioned declaring the use of zero hits on the bypassed rolls, don't let them. It's a non-action taking the amount of time a thought needs to cross a few neurons. They don't get the luxury of micromanaging.

Except that Threading specifically allows the Technomancer to discard hits they do not wish to use, and the Fading specifically states that it is based on the hits USED for Threading, not scored. Its specifically the player's decision not the GM's. That's the RAW.

So what you suggest, while a great way to punish a problem player, breaks from RAW (couple ways, actually with reusing hits from a previous test). I'll stick with the RAW but thanks for the suggestion. I already have the never used threat of "Blue Lightning".


Blue Lightning
Fluff:
God is pissed. A bolt of blue colored lightning arcs out at the target from the nearest power source, or if outdoors from the sky (even on a clear day!) and strikes without fail.
Crunch:
GM gathers all the dice on the table. GM rolls all dice. Target in question takes that much damage.
Intended Use:
Threat only. Can be used in situations called for extreme humor.

I think every GM has one of these (orbital bovine bombardment I'm looking at you), though Shadowrun had the built in one of the Thor Shot... till they stated it.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I think every GM has one of these (orbital bovine bombardment I'm looking at you), though Shadowrun had the built in one of the Thor Shot... till they stated it.

Why? Anything in the Target area is still incenerated with no ability to ammeliorate the damage; so, stats notwithstanding, it still works... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[tagz]

It's an RPG addadge. Once something has stats someone somewhere will find a build/trick/method to beat it, or so I've been told.

God's power is now quantifiable, I'm poking fun at that.

[Draco18s]

It's an RPG addadge. Once something has stats someone somewhere will find a build/trick/method to beat it, or so I've been told.

Its true.

And while not entirely A caused B (and more B occurred in such a way as to do A), our GM* was running a "Cancer 3.5 Game" and the party ended up such that they could, in one round, get the jump on and kill a balor and its minions without expending consumable resources (spells, hit points, items).

Which caused the GM to cut-scene some 30 more of them and jump strait to the final boss.

*Slight clarification: I am my group's current GM, but I have no GMed in the past or plan to in the future, so I mean the other GM who runs most everything else.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

It's an RPG addadge. Once something has stats someone somewhere will find a build/trick/method to beat it, or so I've been told.

God's power is now quantifiable, I'm poking fun at that.

Maybe it is just me, But I do not see a Thor Shot as "God's Power" here. A Thor Shot has always been about Plot. Whether it has stats, or not, does not change that. There is a definable area of effect now, yes, but you will never be able to avoid that area if you are caught up in it. The Thor Shot is still just as much a Plot Device (or GM Hammer, if you will) as it always was. Mainly, if it is used against a player, that player is dead...

Anyways... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Jaid]

besides, Thor shots are what happens when some extremely powerful person/organisation gets mad at you. when the GM gets mad at you, it's orbital *bovine* bombardment, and there's no stats for bovine based orbital weapons yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

anyways, hermit, there are a few powers that basically let you do it. there's a nethermancer power that lets you teleport to your specially prepared bone circle (or something like that). there's an illusion power that lets you make an illusion of a door that can take you to a different door someplace far away iirc too. there's a wizard one as well iirc... not quite sure i can recall how it works though. and i think there's another nethermancy one, but i can't be sure.

i really did think that netherwalking actually put your physical body into the astral though. weird.