War, HUH! It's out on pdf Options

[Doc Chase]

I'd say even before that. The chief opinions of justices on the court were of folks that never made it on there after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

Listen, Hermit, I don't know if you've got a beef with me because I'm a "scab," because I'm the face of some evil corporate mastermind you hate, or what, but I'm really feeling like you're -- purposefully or otherwise -- twisting everything I say.

Okay. I'm sorry. You're the wrong person to adress. I'll bite my fingers.

See, I feel cheated. I bought this book expecting to get something vaguely my money's worth and I get a ... file dump ... that looks like it was written over the course of a couple nights by people Hardy picked up at the bus station and promised beer and nachos for two days' writing (people whith zero idea of SR, poor writing skills as is, and zero priming on their job, and even less direction). Now, it's not your writing, but I feel cheated by this. I want my money back. I won't get it because I downloaded a file. I'm pissed. Can you understand that? Look, it's nothing personal. You're in a tight spot here, I can see that. But please try and understand why peopkle who bought this are very, very unhappy about this situation too.

I took the 'for all I know' as a literal "at least some has already been printed", though. My bad.

I don't know which of the above you'll decide it is, but part of it is right here. Make up your own mind, laugh your head off

I'll decide for 'stunned' for the time being after reading Jason's text.

[Critias]

I'm just trying to answer what few questions and make what few suggestions I can, because I've got the time to prowl the forum today, that's all. I'm trying to be clear about what I do and don't know, and what I can and can't act on, as a plain old freelancer.

Plus I'm in a Shadowrunny mood, because I'm knee-deep in an adventure write up right now, so it's not terribly jarring to click windows to hop to the Shadowrun forums and/or DS while I'm working.

[Doc Chase]

Part of me wants to compile everything Abschalten and I have come up with for Caracas, and another part wants to do the writeup I've been kicking around in my head for St. Louis.

One good thing about the Bogota datadump is that it gives me an idea of what to put into them.

[Mäx]

It's probably because i haven't read much more then the mercs chapter and the game info section, but thus far this seems like a pretty desand book, i especially love some of the new gear like the Battle rifles and the stun laser.

[hermit]

I thought Natural Orichalcum existed?

Course, I'm from the Earthdawn branch, where Orichalcum is made.. from Alchemy and the 5 True Elements.

There is no natural orichalcum. There only is Orichalcum that was hidden long long ago. The Countess of Snowdonia makes money off her stash. And the Halley stuff also was probably hidden there once, because the dragon could pinpoint where it appeared so well.

This is ... bad research, something that is all over War like pus is over a festering wound.

It's probably because i haven't read much more then the mercs chapter and the game info section, but thus far this seems like a pretty desand book, i especially love some of the new gear like the Battle rifles and the stun laser.

That are the least bad parts of the book. Still a wealth of issues, but not quite the density as in the other sections.

[Doc Chase]

Orichalcum is synthesized. It's essentially an alloy containing gold, silver, platnium, and other sundry items.

During YotC, the mana level was at such that it appeared naturally for a time. The potency of natural orichalcum was less than the synthesized, refined stuff but it could still fetch a hefty price. Its natural occurance coincides directly with the mana level in the SR timeline.

If naturally occurring orichalcum is canon, then I wouldn't be surprised if Dunk had memory of the old production hotspots, but the appearance of the actual island was rather masterful.

[hermit]

Orichalcum is synthesized. It's essentially an alloy containing gold, silver, platnium, and other sundry items.

... like mercury ...

During YotC, the mana level was at such that it appeared naturally for a time. The potency of natural orichalcum was less than the synthesized, refined stuff but it could still fetch a hefty price. Its natural occurance coincides directly with the mana level in the SR timeline.

If naturally occurring orichalcum is canon, then I wouldn't be surprised if Dunk had memory of the old production hotspots, but the appearance of the actual island was rather masterful.

It wasn't natural. It was just hidden there. It disappeared then. There should be no 'natural' orichalcum in Nepal.

[Doc Chase]

It wasn't natural. It was just hidden there. It disappeared then. There should be no 'natural' orichalcum in Nepal.

On the last part we agree. On the first part, I'm not so sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

What do you have on Caracas and St. Louis, adn how do you plan to publish it? I have a Venice lying about here, and my fanslated Paris.

[Doc Chase]

What do you have on Caracas and St. Louis, adn how do you plan to publish it? I have a Venice lying about here, and my fanslated Paris.

St. Louis doesn't have a writeup yet, I've been surveying the town to see where the split line would be, though the idea of having the 'Brain Trust', a collection of the major colleges in town along the demarcation line is something that makes me giddy.

Caracas has slowly become a collection of zones in a combination of PbP descriptions and PM's here on the 'Shock between Abschalten and I that is distinctly noir.

Publishing hasn't been planned yet either. I have no illusions about making a cent off of it and I don't want to speak for Abs, but I figure we'd just release it for the community to enjoy, pick apart, make suggestions on, and ultimately use in their games.

[sabs]

In Earthdawn Orichalcum was made from the Combination of True Air, True Water, True Earth, True Fire, and True Wood

The True Elements being literally from the various Elemental planes and where they overlapped with Earth Locations.

The Sea of Fire, for example, was an excellent place to pick up True Fire.

[Kagetenshi]

I'd say even before that. The chief opinions of justices on the court were of folks that never made it on there after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Where was this? We know that the first retirement of a justice appointed during Burger's tenure happens in '93, so if there's an opinion from an unknown justice before then that would move the split back significantly.

~J

[Doc Chase]

Where was this? We know that the first retirement of a justice appointed during Burger's tenure happens in '93, so if there's an opinion from an unknown justice before then that would move the split back significantly.

~J

I'll get back to you on that. I have to recheck my dates on Seretech and Shiawase.

[Megu]

Part of me wants to compile everything Abschalten and I have come up with for Caracas, and another part wants to do the writeup I've been kicking around in my head for St. Louis.

One good thing about the Bogota datadump is that it gives me an idea of what to put into them.

I still think the more of these fan writeups we can compile (we had a thread going at one point), I mean, we can knit together this setting from the bottom up, from people who know the areas they're dealing with in detail. We all come together and we won't need fluff books. What have we got so far? Minneapolis-St. Paul, Louisville, Tampa, Kirkuk? Am I forgetting some?

[sabs]

A friend of mine and I are working on a more intelligent Quebec setting.

[hermit]

St. Louis doesn't have a writeup yet, I've been surveying the town to see where the split line would be, though the idea of having the 'Brain Trust', a collection of the major colleges in town along the demarcation line is something that makes me giddy.

Caracas has slowly become a collection of zones in a combination of PbP descriptions and PM's here on the 'Shock between Abschalten and I that is distinctly noir.

Publishing hasn't been planned yet either. I have no illusions about making a cent off of it and I don't want to speak for Abs, but I figure we'd just release it for the community to enjoy, pick apart, make suggestions on, and ultimately use in their games.

Cool. What about layouting and the likes? Also, I considered updating the Paris setting from 2057 to 2073. A city under siege, a city where everything grand is slowly fading, going for a bit more morbid romantic and an air of revolution. Not done much on that yet though.

Venice is a 2070 setting so far, and one where the nonsensical segways actually are used.

If you don't mind, maybe we could set up a site to show off these files together?

[sabs]

If You do Paris, I'd love to help.

The whole, "The French are too cool for Augmentations" Thing is just.. weird.
I'd love to give my homeland a better make over than the treatment it's gotten so far.

Also, one thing I've been toying with in Quebec, is the prominence of the Theurgist Tradition.

In Quebec there's something like 100,000 awakaned. 90,000 of which are Catholics. Even if only 10% are Mages, and only 1/2 of those are Theurgists, you're still looking at ~5000 Theurgists. That's quite a big group.

[CanRay]

5000 Magically Powered French-Catholic Quebecois!

You, Sabs, have just described Canada's greatest fear! (At least, this one's!).

[Doc Chase]

Layout is not my strong suit. It's a project that would be built from the ground up, but if people are that into it...

...well, we'll see what we can get away with.

[hermit]

If You do Paris, I'd love to help.

We're on.

Paris so far is an almost literal translation of the old SR France text. I did this both as an excercise in French and because I finally wanted to have a Paris setting. ANY Paris setting would do. But it's actually fairly usable. Needs polishing and could use an overhaul, but it has lots of nice little ideas in it (like the mirroring of the Eiffel Tower by the Renraku arcology replica that's only a couple meters higher - built for an Expo), and an undeniable charm, if a lot of weirdness. Something you can work with. PM me an email addy and I'll send you the file I have. I worked in some stuff from SoE, and used som,e stuff from the culture and intro section of France, but other than that it's a translation, as best as I could.

I could, if you want, also translate you the German 3E theurgist rules from Target:ADL.

Layout is not my strong suit. It's a project that would be built from the ground up, but if people are that into it...

I know someone who likes to do layout. I just need tho get her focused on Shadowrun instead of her Huntik website for some time.

[Kagetenshi]

I'll get back to you on that. I have to recheck my dates on Seretech and Shiawase.

1999 and 2001, respectively.

~J

[Doc Chase]

1999 and 2001, respectively.

~J

Hmmkay. It may just well be that my dates are way off, but I also want to use Shiawase as further proof of the split.

I'll get my books out when I get home and do a bit of reading, see where these companies are forming. I think we can use date of creation as the split date for the first one.

[hermit]

On the topic opf Seretech: Was it ever explained what happened to that company? They were very present in early SR, tehn sort of just ... vanished.

[Doc Chase]

Not that I recall. They sort of went the way of UCAS Data Systems.