War, HUH! It's out on pdf Options

[Makki]

whoever wrote up the Adrenaline Regulator never played SR before. it makes some negative qualities free points and fluff-only. additionally some mages with metor spirits will never again care about the negative effect...

[bluedragon7]

whoever wrote ... never played SR before.

A lot of time that were just my thoughts while reading WAR! and i am far from finished with it

[Summerstorm]

Well, just bought it and skimmed through it (mostly rules and lists)...

Hm, expected a bit more cyberware. But overall seems ok.

Stacking pools for teams with able commanders=approved.
More drones and vehicles and therefore better information about the costs on that level=approved.
Prices and informations about rating 6-10 (usual) comlinks and programs: needed, good.

Also a sustained combat spell and a damaging, moving manipulation spell... good good, they are back.

and FINALY we got a pricetag on a geostatic weapons platform loaded with gravity bombs *g*.
1.2 billion... bah... PEANUTS.

[hobgoblin]

I find it humorous that people are worried about "power creep" in a source book about military operations in the SR world. That kinda is the whole point.

Or perhaps we have forgotten all the bitching there was when Arsenal came out and people were crying "Wherez teh tanks?! I needz stats for tanks!!"

Different people at different times. Thing is, positives are never really commented online (and it would in the end just look like a long series of "high five"). Essentially, online comments are the reverse of "if you have nothing positive to say, do not say anything at all".

[Makki]

for a positive comment: I love the Leadership rules. (but, why is there a skill in the corebook without any rules for it?)

[Stahlseele]

for a positive comment: I love the Leadership rules. (but, why is there a skill in the corebook without any rules for it?)

"Warum liegt hier überhaupt Stroh rum?"

[Sengir]

"Warum liegt hier überhaupt Stroh rum?"

Because you're in a dragon lair...and no, he's not going to do it.

[Stahlseele]

*snickers* ^^

[InfinityzeN]

Sa'all good bro. I wasn't trying to give a fix to every problem, just show them the location of the ones I found so they could fix them. I'm a little cranky in the morning before I have my coffee.

Pretty sure I gave that as option number 3, InfinityzeN, except for the *other* typo that was still there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Aaron]

I disagree, given the context we have been provided. It makes more sense to say 'apolitical', thereby showing the error is only one keystroke, rather than 'political' and show the error was substantially more.

I also believe military power is apolitical, as it will(or should) focus on the defense of the nation-state and its citizens from external threats, not on the administration of same.

I disagree, both in the author's intent and the nature of military power.

We can discuss the latter (I'll kick it off by pointing out that the world "political" or one of its forms appears in 103 places in WAR), but as to the former, I can say for certain that the error in the sentence on p. 156 is my fault. I sometimes think faster than I type.

[Stahlseele]

"WAR Impressum"
Copyright© 2011  e Topps Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Ok now what does this mean?
as long as it's still 2010, they don't own copyright on their own book?
and if this is indeed the case, WHO DOES?
or is it free to copy? . .
Highly improbable, i know . .
Also, is something like that allowed to be fixed by errata, if this is more or less something legalese?

[Mongoose]

and FINALY we got a pricetag on a geostatic weapons platform loaded with gravity bombs *g*.
1.2 billion... bah... PEANUTS.

Given the amount of space industry / habitats Shadowrun has, lifting materials into space has got to be and order or two magnitude cheaper in 207x than now. Unless there's something really fancy in that weapons platform, the price makes sense, given cheap launch rates (equivalent to $1000 per kilo, just 1/10 current rate).

[Bull]

Ok now what does this mean?
as long as it's still 2010, they don't own copyright on their own book?
and if this is indeed the case, WHO DOES?
or is it free to copy? . .
Highly improbable, i know . .
Also, is something like that allowed to be fixed by errata, if this is more or less something legalese?

Keep in mind that the PDF is, AFAIK, the same document that is sent to the printers to have turned into print books. And even if CGL hits the "send" button today, chances are slim to none that the book will be on gaming shelves before the first of the year.

As such, the book will be officially released in 2011. And the copyright is valid, so far as I know.

(The PDF releases themselves are a whole other situation, but... I will point out that comics have been doing similar things for decades. Marvel and DC both have the "release" month and year in their books (In the legalese inside, and they used to print the month on the cover as well). However, for some reason, these were inevitably like 3-4 months "ahead". So a book I would buy in December, might actually say "March, 2011" inside. According to Wikipedia this is a standard practice for almost all Periodical publications in the US, Canada, and the UK. The reason was so that the release could "sit" on the shelf for a couple of months and still appear "fresh". It's a marketing thing, mostly, but... *shrug*

I'm not entirely certain how this all relates together, to be honest. Copyright law is some of the most confusing and fucked up stuff out there. The mess is compounded by the fact that copyright law differs from country to country, sometimes wildly.

<shrug> Considering it's 2 weeks till 2011, I'm not certain it's an issue regardless.

Bull

[Stahlseele]

*shrugs*
did not know that.
has that happened before with shadowrun books? O.o
furthermore, if it IS, indeed, a mistake . .
it gets kinda silly, if you start needing Errata for your Impressum <.<

[Bull]

Not sure. I don't think FanPro or CGL ever released anything on PDF this close to the end of the year before, so not sure that this issue would have come up.

But like I said, I assume it's not an error, since this is what's going in the print book. And as I noted, the Print Book won't be on shelves till 2011, which makes the copyright date correct for that.

[hobgoblin]

Given the amount of space industry / habitats Shadowrun has, lifting materials into space has got to be and order or two magnitude cheaper in 207x than now. Unless there's something really fancy in that weapons platform, the price makes sense, given cheap launch rates (equivalent to $1000 per kilo, just 1/10 current rate).

The Kilimanjaro railgun probably helps...

[Adam]

Keep in mind that the PDF is, AFAIK, the same document that is sent to the printers to have turned into print books.

It's not. Same content, very different PDF files.

[Adam]

*shrugs*
did not know that.
has that happened before with shadowrun books? O.o
furthermore, if it IS, indeed, a mistake . .
it gets kinda silly, if you start needing Errata for your Impressum <.<

It's not a mistake; it's 100% normal for a title to be produced in one year and the copyright date be for the next year, if it's being released in the next year.

There are no legal ramifications for this.

[Prime Mover]

Personal nitpick, art for new weapons/vehicles/gear quantity and quality? (I know were long past full page days but Its a HUGE help to have some representation.)

[Stahlseele]

It's not a mistake; it's 100% normal for a title to be produced in one year and the copyright date be for the next year, if it's being released in the next year.

There are no legal ramifications for this.

People win suits because their coffee did not say HOT on the side.
A woman got legal ownership of the sun.

[Megu]

OK, one thing I've been waiting on... is there much information on war zones other than Bogota? Specifically SE Asia?

[Adam]

People win suits because their coffee did not say HOT on the side.
A woman got legal ownership of the sun.

Gosh you've convinced me.

[Stahlseele]

Not saying anyone would go to the trouble for a shadowrun book but . .
Stranger things HAVE happened . .

[hobgoblin]

like a shooting war over a soccer match?

[Bull]

It's not. Same content, very different PDF files.

Meh. That's what I meant. Reading back on it, I realize I misworded it. Fun! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm just glad i don;t have to deal with any of that stuff. I have enough trouble trying to make sure SR4 instead of SR4A page references get fixed and that the right people get listed in the credits. Plus, none of the docs I'm working on are going to print. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(Seriously, I have a boiler plate set of text in an "Adventure Template", and I swear I've corrected the same page reference 4 or 5 times now. And yet, it keeps popping back up. Very annoying)

Bull