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[Stahlseele]

IT IS WRONG TO BE FRENCH!

[sabs]

Well then I don't want to be right!

[Doc Chase]

Well then I don't want to be right!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in the healing process. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Well then I don't want to be right!

There, there. It is not your fault you were born in the wrong country, it's your parents'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

[CanRay]

And basically the entire "french military incompetence/cowardice" meme...

That's what the USA gets for coming late to the War. Again. (At least in WWII, it was only "Fashionably Late" as opposed to WWI.).

The Battle of Dunkirk certainly showed their guts despite having everything working against them! And then there's the Resistance Fighters in France, a good number of whom were civilians that had no military training whatsoever.

And don't forget, a major part of WWI was fought on French Soil. For the entire war.

Now, French-Canadians, on the other hand... The Volunteers fought like few other Canucks (Which is saying something) due to the reputation that their counterparts back home were giving to the culture...

[sabs]

Wait are you saying France was late to the War in WW2?

Or are you saying America was late to the war.

[CanRay]

France was late in realizing that WWII was happening. Of course, so was nearly everyone else for the most part.

The USA was late to the War. Guess they had to get all spit and shined up for the battle first. Got to look your best, you know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Edit: Fixed my above post.

[sabs]

Everyone was late to realizing the War was happening, except maybe Poland. And only cause they got invaded first!

my Great Grandfather died in WWI
my Grandfather was a resistance fighter in Occupied France, during WWII.

The Vicchy government cut the knees out from under the Army, and DeGaulle ran nice and early and then 'returned' as a savior later. *spit* My grandfather had the option to escape to England with his pilot. (He was an Avionics mechanic) but he went back to Occupied France and worked for the Resistance instead.

[Fatum]

And basically the entire "french military incompetence/cowardice" meme is a result of one war where the collaborationist government ordered the military to surrender when it was ready to keep fighting, ignoring the history of the French soldier's almost insane bravery on the battlefield as established in most of the previous 200 or so years.

That's especially funny when compared to the glorious resistance the Aussies, the Czechs, the Hollanders and especially the Danes showed.

Followed by the nation's populace forming one of the largest armed civilian resistance movements

Yeah, right, one of the largest is a nice way to put it.

in the face of one of the most brutal occupying forces in the last 200 years, if not history.

>Germans in France
>Brutal occupying force
>compared to Germans in USSR

The USA was late to the War. Guess they had to get all spit and shined up for the battle first. Got to look your best, you know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

But they were hurrying, of course. Did the best they could do, never waiting for anyone to do the job for them.


Oh man, in before a ban for discussing politics.

[CanRay]

But they were hurrying, of course. Did they best the could do, never waiting for anyone to do the job for them.

For the record, I blame the Politicos for that issue, not the Soldiers.

Speaking of "Coming Late To The War", and to shift this back on-topic...

What exactly is the deal between Aztlan and... Amazonia? Is that where the war is going on in "War!"? And what other "Hot Spots" does the book talk about. If any.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

There are one or two pages, don't remember exactly, talking about "war" hotspots. One of them is the infamous Auschwitz concentration camp, that is set up as a haunted place full of angry spirits guarding their magical treasure. It mentions something about southeast Asia and Africa if I recall correctly.

Check the alt.War project in Community Projects, we are discussing the amazonian military right now.

[sabs]

We're actually having a long argument right now about WHy the frak Aztlan goaded Amz into a war. What AZT hopes to get out of it, why Amz is throwing down, instead of trying for diplomacy.

It could use more voices.

[sabs]

That's especially funny when compared to the glorious resistance the Aussies, the Czechs, the Hollanders and especially the Dane showed.

Yeah, right, one of the largest is a nice way to put it.

>Germans in France
>Brutal occupying force
>compared to Germans in USSR

But they were hurrying, of course. Did they best the could do, never waiting for anyone to do the job for them.


Oh man, in before a ban for discussing politics.

Most of Europe had some very impressive Resistance Fighter groups.
France, Denmark, Poland, Czech are some notable examples.

I'm not sure you can really talk about Brutal Occupation and really compare to Russia. The Germans and the Russians committed atrocities against each other, as a general course.

But don't be little the French Resistance. They were effective.

[CanRay]

Most of Europe had some very impressive Resistance Fighter groups.
France, Denmark, Poland, Czech are some notable examples.

Nothing like fighting for your home, and having a home field advantage against an invading force. And this is also where we get the name for the Molotov Cocktail, as Mr. Molotov was the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs at the time when he "Exchanged" parts of Eastern Europe to Germany and the USSR without bothering to ask said parts of Eastern Europe if they'd like to be part of greater empires first or not.

I'm not sure you can really talk about Brutal Occupation and really compare to Russia. The Germans and the Russians committed atrocities against each other, as a general course.

There plenty of atrocities to go around everywhere, we just hear less of the other ones.

But don't be little the French Resistance. They were effective.

I don't belittle any Resistance Force. The French were particularly enthused in WWII, however, and it certainly showed.

And now, away from history, and on to War!.

[Doc Chase]

We're actually having a long argument right now about WHy the frak Aztlan goaded Amz into a war. What AZT hopes to get out of it, why Amz is throwing down, instead of trying for diplomacy.

It could use more voices.

Crap, I don't want to dive into another project without finishing Maracaibo first. >.<

And yet, here I go.

[CanRay]

Hey, I'm still trying to finish a piece of fan fiction and write about Kraplakistan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Doc Chase]

Hey, I'm still trying to finish a piece of fan fiction and write about Kraplakistan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I've got Maracaibo, Caracas, the Auchwitz arc I'm considering calling "Work Will Set You Free" based on the culmination of the entire campaign, and a few freelance requests on the side.

That's not counting the two PbP's I'm participating in that want me there for the scenery porn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Or St. Louis.

[CanRay]

OK, I give. Uncle!

[Doc Chase]

OK, I give. Uncle!

Just very clear that I need to finish my damn projects. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I'm as bad as my roommate that I'm about to coerce into crafting together a DocWagon uniform for GenCon. If she actually finished and sold her projects, she'd be in the upper tax brackets.

[CanRay]

...

I want a DocWagon Uniform now...

[Doc Chase]

...

I want a DocWagon Uniform now...

If I had the time and budget, I'd make a HRT uniform. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Fatum]

Most of Europe had some very impressive Resistance Fighter groups.
France, Denmark, Poland, Czech are some notable examples.

Right. They seem especially significant compared to, say, the partisan movement in Belarus Soviet Republic.

I'm not sure you can really talk about Brutal Occupation and really compare to Russia. The Germans and the Russians committed atrocities against each other, as a general course.

Right. I remember Russians hauling off 30 million German civilians off to death camps. But hey, it wasn't Holocaust, those were those damn Slavs and Middle Asians killed, who the hell cares about them. Besides, those barbarian Russkies raped three women in Germany, just think about it! That's what really important!

But don't be little the French Resistance. They were effective.

Effective enough for Jodl to ask "What, we lost to those, too?" apparently.

Nothing like fighting for your home, and having a home field advantage against an invading force. And this is also where we get the name for the Molotov Cocktail, as Mr. Molotov was the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs at the time when he "Exchanged" parts of Eastern Europe to Germany and the USSR without bothering to ask said parts of Eastern Europe if they'd like to be part of greater empires first or not.

Molotov Cocktail is from the Finnish War times, actually, when Molotov claimed "soviet bombers delivered humanitarian aid to Finnish workers". But in what comes to being willing to be parts of other countries, I'd suggest you to look up who did the territories USSR struggled to control belong before the Finnish intervention in 1921.

Hey, I'm still trying to finish a piece of fan fiction and write about Kraplakistan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

You mean Transcaucasia (the country making the least sense in SR)? Or Turkestan?

I've got Maracaibo, Caracas, the Auchwitz arc I'm considering calling "Work Will Set You Free" based on the culmination of the entire campaign, and a few freelance requests on the side.
That's not counting the two PbP's I'm participating in that want me there for the scenery porn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Or St. Louis.

Well, Amazonia discussion is just that - discussion. We're just trying to put some sense into the whole Amazonian situation, and the Am-Atz conflict, so that Brazilian_Shinobi may actually continue his work on Amazonia, with the logic behind it established and out of the way.

[CanRay]

Molotov Cocktail is from the Finnish War times, actually, when Molotov claimed "soviet bombers delivered humanitarian aid to Finnish workers". But in what comes to being willing to be parts of other countries, I'd suggest you to look up who did the territories USSR struggled to control belong before the Finnish intervention in 1921.

Really? Weird, I was misinformed then. By a Finn, no less.

You mean Transcaucasia (the country making the least sense in SR)? Or Turkestan?

No, I mean Kraplakistan. If I'm going to screw up a country, I'm going to do it for a place where the natives can't get pissed off at me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Which means I can also do Canada, because, well, I might get a few harsh words and a hard glare. And my Timmies not served properly. The last one hurts the worst, BTW.

[Fatum]

Really? Weird, I was misinformed then. By a Finn, no less.

They even wrote a song about that. "Niet, Molotov!"

No, I mean Kraplakistan. If I'm going to screw up a country, I'm going to do it for a place where the natives can't get pissed off at me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

You could at least give it a cool name. Liiike Karakalpakistan, hinting at Karakalpaks!

[Critias]

I'd say this one's gone pretty far into talking about politics, by this point. It's not an atrocity contest, people. There was plenty of brave fighting during the Second World War, there was plenty of capitulation (by many countries), and there was plenty of innocent blood shed and other monstrous acts committed. Rehashing it here isn't going to settle, or change, any of it.