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[CanRay]

Hopefully prevent another one from happening.

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Yeah, I can't see it either. Maybe I should take what Paul was medicated with.

[Fatum]

Bah.
Okay, I beg your pardon for stirring it up in a way. Hope won't happen again.
I'm bit too touchy about the subject, it being a matter of blood and all.

[sabs]

Bah.
Okay, I beg your pardon for stirring it up in a way. Hope won't happen again.
I'm bit too touchy about the subject, it being a matter of blood and all.

Most Europeans are touchy on the subject.
I know I am (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Eimi]

Bah.
Okay, I beg your pardon for stirring it up in a way. Hope won't happen again.
I'm bit too touchy about the subject, it being a matter of blood and all.

Uh, if it helps, I wasn't trying to claim the French were #1 in any of the things I mentioned, or trying to belittle any other nation involved in the war. I was just trying to point out that the "France is a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkey pussies" meme that's still so popular in the States today (revived due to France's refusal to participate in Iraq post 9/11) wasn't really based on many...facts.

Also, considering I said "occupying FORCE", rather than "occupation", I'd assumed people could figure out that I was talking about the Nazis as a whole, not just the Nazi occupation of France (which was hardly sunshine and puppies, even if their actions in the Soviet Union were markedly worse).

(It's actually tough to decide whether the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese were the more brutal occupiers of conquered lands in WWII, but let's stick to Europe and Eastern Europe)

Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended you. That wasn't my intent. I have great respect for the people of all the nations that opposed the Axis Powers during the war, those of the then-Soviet Union right near the top of the list.

[CanRay]

Don't feel bad, France. Canada got snubbed before Iraq was even invaded. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Didn't even get a "Thank You" for the help given during 9/11.

[Eimi]

Don't feel bad, France. Canada got snubbed before Iraq was even invaded. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Didn't even get a "Thank You" for the help given during 9/11.

Heck, I'm Canadian! No need to tell me about it.

(Not to mention another recurring meme/myth, about the 9/11 hijackers entering America through Canada's "lax border security". Uh, no, they had passports, they came in like most people visiting America do: by flying.)

[CanRay]

Yeah, by 2001, the days of "Make them yourself" Canadian Passports were long over.

[Wraith235]

We're actually having a long argument right now about WHy the frak Aztlan goaded Amz into a war. What AZT hopes to get out of it, why Amz is throwing down, instead of trying for diplomacy.

It could use more voices.

that one is easy .... get ahold of ghost cartels .... I jut finished playing it .... explains a lot

[CanRay]

that one is easy .... get ahold of ghost cartels .... I jut finished playing it .... explains a lot

Nice to see they're sticking to their drug dealing roots.

[Starglyte]

Don't feel bad, France. Canada got snubbed before Iraq was even invaded. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Didn't even get a "Thank You" for the help given during 9/11.

Better late than never.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...sh-canada_x.htm

[CanRay]

I'm not even going to get started...

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

that one is easy .... get ahold of ghost cartels .... I jut finished playing it .... explains a lot

I was actually playing the Ghost Cartel campaign when our GM had to stop it for six months to finish his master's degree. I don't know if we will continue later.
Anyway, the whole point is that it does not make sense making the center of the war Bogotá, also, it seems the whole war is being fought for a single city.

[Aaron]

I want a DocWagon Uniform now...

We had DocWagon uniforms for some NPCs in the Scramble a few years ago. I can ask the woman who made them how she got the logo on the hats and tactical vests, if that would help. Heck, she likes to make costumes and she likes Shadowrun; maybe she can make you a deal.

[Grinder]

4. Discussion of politics, religion, and sex are prohibited, except as they directly pertain to Shadowrun or another game. Discussions on these subjects will be watched closely, and any innapropriate posts may result in warnings or suspensions.

Just think about it.

[Sengir]

It's not an atrocity contest, people.

This. Stupid stuff like "X totally weights up Y! - No, Y gave us every right to do X!!" is what turns history and the victims' memory into political (and TOS-violating) slugfests.

[Doc Chase]

We had DocWagon uniforms for some NPCs in the Scramble a few years ago. I can ask the woman who made them how she got the logo on the hats and tactical vests, if that would help. Heck, she likes to make costumes and she likes Shadowrun; maybe she can make you a deal.

Ooh, happen to have images?

I'm curious to see how they were constructed so I have an idea of what I need to get. I've got costumers handy to get the logos, I just want to see the tac vests and hats.

[Fatum]

Come to think of it, Shadowrun costumes should be easy enough to make, be they Docwagon or not: camo suits and armor vests are openly sold, as are doctor's smocks.
The electronics SR characters carry might require some creativity, but I believe electronics shops can easily supply you with badass-looking components, too.
The only thing you need then is emblems, and there's special printer paper that allows to transfer whatever's printed on it to cloth.

[Doc Chase]

One of the crew I ran with at GenCon last year had a good S-K patch on her leather jacket. I'll ask her to see where she was snagging those.

[Fatum]

Back in the 80ies, when there was a deficit of everything, my mom sewed me a coat with a rather large emblem on the back - it was made of a couple of layers of cloth (one per color, and one big round for background) sewn on there delicately, so that the seams wouldn't be visible. Well, if you don't want to go for the easy suggested variant :3

[hobgoblin]

This. Stupid stuff like "X totally weights up Y! - No, Y gave us every right to do X!!" is what turns history and the victims' memory into political (and TOS-violating) slugfests.

I watched a presentation the other day about brain scans and criminal law. There it was mentioned that they had checked juries as well as criminals, and found that some wants "eye for an eye" style punishments by instinct basically.

ah, yes. here we go: http://singularityhub.com/2011/01/29/the-c...eagleman-video/

[Critias]

I watched a presentation the other day about brain scans and criminal law. There it was mentioned that they had checked juries as well as criminals, and found that some wants "eye for an eye" style punishments by instinct basically.

ah, yes. here we go: http://singularityhub.com/2011/01/29/the-c...eagleman-video/

On a personal scale, I have no issue with eye for an eye. On a global/political scale, though, crossing generational lines? That's when things get messy.

Punishing one man with the death penalty for unlawfully ending the life of another man makes perfect sense to me, for several reasons. But the "tit for tat" atrocity race between Germans and Russians didn't do anyone any good, and continuing to bicker about it 65+ years after the fact on a board where we're supposed to be talking about role playing games is, if not precisely counterproductive, at the very best off topic and as such pointless.

[Grinder]

4. Discussion of politics, religion, and sex are prohibited, except as they directly pertain to Shadowrun or another game. Discussions on these subjects will be watched closely, and any innapropriate posts may result in warnings or suspensions.

Just think about it.

[Grinder]

One more posting that's against the TOS and this thread's closed.

[Aaron]

Ooh, happen to have images?

I'm curious to see how they were constructed so I have an idea of what I need to get. I've got costumers handy to get the logos, I just want to see the tac vests and hats.

I can't find any, but I bet there's some floating around out there somewhere. Might be worth starting a new thread to get the attention of the shutterbugs.

[Fatum]

Oh, I've just been writing on capital ship weaponry, and I needed to stat up a 250 mm gun for battlecruisers.
So I glanced upon the howitzer rules.
What the hell, CGL?! Every heavy weapon in the game until this book has been using the same range description, going like: "use assault cannon ranges, increase Extreme range to 3km". Howitzer gets its own table, with 30 (!!!) km being the max range. Okay, fine, let's let this slide for a moment, after all, there are howitzers like this in RL, no matter that there's nothing with comparable range in the system.
Now, I opened the howitzer shells table.
54P?! -10AP?! What the ever-loving god? Tank cannons do 17P! Cruise missiles - whole planes stuffed with explosives, - do 40 to 64! What is this, the Big Bertha? Judging by the howitzer's stats in the vehicle section, no, it's tank-sized (although somehow it got an extra-large sensor package and turrets with lazors only statted up as "missile defense system [stabby lazors hell yeah!]").
What the frag? What will a capital ship primary weapon damage codes look like, if a single goddamn howitzer does damage on THOR-shot scale? Oh, and that's without that "darling-I-broke-the-game" targeting system.