Bows Options

[khansgod01]

I have a character that has a str of 15. Does that mean im still only going to get a max 12p on my damage???

[Draco18s]

Yep, that's generally what "max strength bonus" means.

[KarmaInferno]

Yeah. The damage cap was put in pretty much as a response to the Uber Troll Bow Of Massive Death possible in previous editions.




-k

[Doc Byte]

I have a character that has a str of 15. Does that mean im still only going to get a max 12p on my damage???

Your bow has the damage of an assault rifle with long burst fire and you say "only"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif) Have you ever thought of alternatively carrying around a ballista?

[Fatum]

Why use a bow?

[Seth]

Your bow has the damage of an assault rifle with long burst fire and you say "only"

Its actually better than that when comparing it to hardened armour: a lot better. That bow kills spirits like a knife though butter

[hobgoblin]

Why use a bow?

If that troll used a pre-A bow, he would be taking out a tank rather then a car...

[Stahlseele]

I have a character that has a str of 15. Does that mean im still only going to get a max 12p on my damage???

Get War.
Get Military Grade Software that lets you fire two arrows that hit the target simultanously for 24P Damage.
BAMAGE.

[Kronk2]

Military Grade Software that lets you fire two arrows that hit the target simultanously for 24P Damage.
BAMAGE.

!I missed that, page reference please '-)

[Yerameyahu]

He's kidding. At least, what he said was a joke, anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

He's kidding. At least, what he said was a joke, anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

WAR! has a piece of MRSI(Multiple Rounds Simoultanous Impact) Software.
It does exactly what it says on the Label. Works in RL with Artillery.
In Shadowrun it works with Artillery and Grenade Launchers.
And it specifically mentions, that it works with Bow and Arrow too.

[InfinityzeN]

If your GM doesn't beat you about the head with a book for even trying it with a bow.

[Yerameyahu]

It works with *a* bow and arrow? Or two people firing together? Because the former is preposterous, and it's what you suggested a character do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Seeing how this is meant for single person operations:
it works with one bow and 2 arrows.
and why should it not?
a good bowyer can shoot up one arrow and shoot the first arrow out of the sky with a second arrow.

And it's WAY less bad than using it with a full auto grenade launcher for doing more damage than a cruise missle.

[Tanegar]

Why is it preposterous? You fire the first arrow at a high angle, and the second at a low angle, and due to the differences in flight time they strike simultaneously. Not sure I'd treat it as a single 24P attack, though.

[Yerameyahu]

I understand the theory. I just don't believe it could possibly be done, 'good bowyer' or not. Might as well let someone do it with a pistol: shoot first at a high angle, and then at a low angle? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Well, you have to be able to shoot in a ballistic arc.
that's why it says artillery, grenade launchers and bows.

[Yerameyahu]

I mean, a bullet, a shell, a grenade, an arrow… *shrug*. Same thing.

This time on target stuff is supposed to be for combining attacks from different sources. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WghCzSKySxA
The Crusader would like to have words with you.
It DOES work with several crusaders too, but it works just as well with a single unit.

[Yerameyahu]

And that's an outlier, impressive specifically because it breaks the norm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think I said 'supposed'. Now show me the youtube video of a 'good bowyer'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm just saying, hitting someone with 2 arrows within the Crusader's limit of 'within 2 seconds of each other' hardly constitutes a 24P single attack in Shadowrun. Yes? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Byron Ferguson < = For example.
And i know that bowyer was the wrong term.
You need a Bow with smartlink and a comlink capable of running the software and then you need to obtain said specially secret super military software too . .
But the rules explicitly say IT WORKS. And this is a TECH-Aspect. If you can deal with a TROLL shooting a Bow, then you can deal with a TROLL shooting TWO ARROWS using Artillery Software.

[Yerameyahu]

In fairness, it's just WAR! specifically says it works, whatever that's worth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I simply don't see how two arrows striking different locations at different times counts as 24P for the purposes of damage resistance, armor, etc. Surely you can see that? Multiple explosions, yes, especially given the crazy SR4 explosion rules.

Explosive arrows? … Yes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Anyway, it has nothing to do with trolls. It's not a belief, or 'magic'. Tech has much higher standards than magic, after all.

[Squinky]

Sounds doable to me. Although, I guess I just can't see what good it does. If you can fire at a target twice, why not just shoot it twice? I guess if you use edge it could really be uber though.

Also, don't bows essentially fire one arrow only per turn? (Barring the krav maga work around). Because a SA firing bow would be beautiful (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

It's to abuse the armor and damage resistance rules, especially against things like spirits.

[Seth]

a good bowyer can shoot up one arrow and shoot the first arrow out of the sky with a second arrow

Only in the movies. I have several friends who are master bowyers and they laughed when I showed them this

In Agincourt the incredible rate of fire of the english long bowmen was a winning factor. They fired to0 fast to aim, but it didn't matter: the sheer volume of fire mattered and there were a lot of targets.

So how fast did these well trained from infancy elite troops fire? Answer 8 shots a minute. ABout 1 shot every 2 and half combat rounds in shadowrun.
Even with cyberware and increased reflexes and stuff, I struggle from a realism point of view with even a shot per round. But thats ok its a game
Moving to a shot per complex action is moving so far into fantasy that I think we say "its a game don't worry about it" (and we laugh at the idea of aimed shots)
Moving to more than one shot per complex action...well you can guess from the above what I would like to say, but I will be polite