Two-weapon fighting with dual Reach 2 weapons ?, The rule says no. But could trolls use them one-handed ? |
Two-weapon fighting with dual Reach 2 weapons ?, The rule says no. But could trolls use them one-handed ? |
Jan 25 2011, 04:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 25-December 10 Member No.: 19,247 |
On page 163 of Arsenal :
QUOTE (Two Weapon Melee Combat) In order to use two weapons in melee combat, each weapon must have a Reach of 0 or 1. But trolls being big, their penalties are reduced for wielding two-handed weapons in one hand (which seems to be the case for most Reach 2 weapons). Would this make sense, given their sheer size, to be able to go beyond this limit of Reach 1 ? (by accepting the small penalties) For example : would you allow a troll-sized character to wield two "Reach 2" melee weapons (nodachi, combat axe, etc.) including an assault rifle equipped with a bayonet ? Obviously a nodachi can be swapped for a smaller weapon like a katana or vibro sword. But this is especially problematic for bayonets, which only come with Reach 2. This would allow a character with "Two weapon style" to use only the Blade skill for both defensive weapons (instead of improvised clubs, as with Melee hardening), and gain the benefit of higher reach as well. |
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Jan 25 2011, 05:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
While the penalties for using a two-handed weapon single-handedly are reduced for a troll, they are not eliminated. So IMHO no, as two two-handed weapons would be too unwieldy to allow two-weapon figthing. Besides when dual-wielding two 1 reach weapon they have an effective reach of 2, already giving them a sgnificative advantage over a dual-wielding smaller metatype.
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Jan 25 2011, 06:30 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Sure, why not.
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Jan 25 2011, 07:05 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Is it really worth it for . . what?
2 dice more? *thinks* what the hell am i asking? OF COURSE IT IS! Now take elongated limbs and attach them to your legs for 5 Reach ^^ |
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Jan 25 2011, 07:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
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Jan 25 2011, 07:36 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Quake, you're such a munchkin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
RAW, no. It specifically says Reach 0 or 1. On a side note, two-weapon fighting with a bayonet on an assault rifle feels extremely cheesy. Final answer: you can do anything the GM houserules. |
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Jan 25 2011, 07:43 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
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Jan 25 2011, 07:48 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
And it has the benefit of being slightly (only slightly) more believable.
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Jan 25 2011, 08:18 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
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Jan 25 2011, 09:47 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
blade does not extend far enough.
only marginally useable for slashing motions, no punching damage. |
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Jan 25 2011, 09:52 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's a hand-axe, duh. Chop with it. The real reason is for parrying anyway (in SR).
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Jan 25 2011, 10:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
Alternatively you can underbarrel a gun in a sword.
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Jan 25 2011, 10:03 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jan 25 2011, 10:06 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ahem: http://www.thomas-galvin.com/blog/wp-conte...08/GunBlade.jpg ^^ <.< http://www.thomas-galvin.com/blog/?m=200708 you may need to scroll down a bit |
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Jan 25 2011, 10:11 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's a gunblade. Not a sword, to which an 'underbarrel gun' is being added. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 25 2011, 10:13 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
it is a blade with a barrel ^^
i guess one could do something like that with a shotgun for example. don't make it pump action though . . trust me on this one ^^ |
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Jan 25 2011, 10:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
The traditional way to parry with a hand axe, is to chop the person's hand off.
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Jan 25 2011, 10:14 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's why it's called a hand axe, after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jan 25 2011, 10:16 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) QUOTE (Arsenal, page 153, Underbarrel Weapon, last paragraph) It is also possible to install this system into melee and other unconventional weapons - popular options include... and smart swords with a small pistol in the hilt to fire a bullet along the blade, ect. Yes you can. |
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Jan 25 2011, 10:17 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
You're no fun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) See, I was saying that it's not underbarrel because there's no bar—you know what, forget it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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Jan 25 2011, 10:25 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
*snickers* poor guy ^^
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Jan 25 2011, 11:10 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
And that is the bad, bad place where excessive pedantry brings.
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Jan 26 2011, 12:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Imperial Japan Member No.: 6,483 |
Yerameyahu, you worry too much about the literal sense of words and semantics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Where is your sense of adventure and experimentation!?!
I dont see a problem with a specially constructed gun to fit along the side of a blade. Though technically it wouldnt be an "underbarrel"-weapon it is still something fitted "under" the main weapon ^^ back to the topic: Sure, go ahead. Logically Trolls are big enough to be able to pull off something like that. I just wouldnt allow them to do it with staffs or polearms though ^^ |
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Jan 26 2011, 12:32 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 25-December 10 Member No.: 19,247 |
Quake, you're such a munchkin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm not a munchkin, he is. And he's way ahead of the bayonet, he even has an underbarrel chainsaw. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Jan 26 2011, 12:39 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
*cough cough* .... I statted a chainsword up. And a Lancer. And a Gatling Laser. And a Grammaton Cleric who's a troll using sniper rifles. And the Blood Lord. And and and....
I actually thought you were going to link back to one of my threads with that. |
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