Two-weapon fighting with dual Reach 2 weapons ?, The rule says no. But could trolls use them one-handed ? Options

[Quake]

On page 163 of Arsenal :

In order to use two weapons in melee combat, each weapon
must have a Reach of 0 or 1.

But trolls being big, their penalties are reduced for wielding two-handed weapons in one hand (which seems to be the case for most Reach 2 weapons). Would this make sense, given their sheer size, to be able to go beyond this limit of Reach 1 ? (by accepting the small penalties)

For example : would you allow a troll-sized character to wield two "Reach 2" melee weapons (nodachi, combat axe, etc.) including an assault rifle equipped with a bayonet ?

Obviously a nodachi can be swapped for a smaller weapon like a katana or vibro sword. But this is especially problematic for bayonets, which only come with Reach 2.

This would allow a character with "Two weapon style" to use only the Blade skill for both defensive weapons (instead of improvised clubs, as with Melee hardening), and gain the benefit of higher reach as well.

[Dahrken]

While the penalties for using a two-handed weapon single-handedly are reduced for a troll, they are not eliminated. So IMHO no, as two two-handed weapons would be too unwieldy to allow two-weapon figthing. Besides when dual-wielding two 1 reach weapon they have an effective reach of 2, already giving them a sgnificative advantage over a dual-wielding smaller metatype.

[Fatum]

Sure, why not.

[Stahlseele]

Is it really worth it for . . what?
2 dice more? *thinks* what the hell am i asking?
OF COURSE IT IS!
Now take elongated limbs and attach them to your legs for 5 Reach ^^

[Neraph]

Sure, why not.

/agree

[Yerameyahu]

Quake, you're such a munchkin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

RAW, no. It specifically says Reach 0 or 1.

On a side note, two-weapon fighting with a bayonet on an assault rifle feels extremely cheesy.

Final answer: you can do anything the GM houserules.

[Neraph]

On a side note, two-weapon fighting with a bayonet on an assault rifle feels extremely cheesy.

You can always RAWfully have underslung daggers modded onto your pistols.

[Yerameyahu]

And it has the benefit of being slightly (only slightly) more believable.

[KarmaInferno]

Daggerpistols!




-k

[Stahlseele]

blade does not extend far enough.
only marginally useable for slashing motions, no punching damage.

[Yerameyahu]

It's a hand-axe, duh. Chop with it. The real reason is for parrying anyway (in SR).

[Neraph]

Alternatively you can underbarrel a gun in a sword.

[Yerameyahu]

No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

ahem:
http://www.thomas-galvin.com/blog/wp-conte...08/GunBlade.jpg
^^
<.<
http://www.thomas-galvin.com/blog/?m=200708
you may need to scroll down a bit

[Yerameyahu]

That's a gunblade. Not a sword, to which an 'underbarrel gun' is being added. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

it is a blade with a barrel ^^
i guess one could do something like that with a shotgun for example.
don't make it pump action though . . trust me on this one ^^

[sabs]

The traditional way to parry with a hand axe, is to chop the person's hand off.

[Yerameyahu]

That's why it's called a hand axe, after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Neraph]

No, you can't. Swords don't have barrels, silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

It is also possible to install this system into melee and other unconventional weapons - popular options include... and smart swords with a small pistol in the hilt to fire a bullet along the blade, ect.

Yes you can.

[Yerameyahu]

You're no fun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) See, I was saying that it's not underbarrel because there's no bar—you know what, forget it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Stahlseele]

*snickers* poor guy ^^

[Fatum]

And that is the bad, bad place where excessive pedantry brings.

[PiXeL01]

Yerameyahu, you worry too much about the literal sense of words and semantics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Where is your sense of adventure and experimentation!?!

I dont see a problem with a specially constructed gun to fit along the side of a blade. Though technically it wouldnt be an "underbarrel"-weapon it is still something fitted "under" the main weapon ^^

back to the topic: Sure, go ahead. Logically Trolls are big enough to be able to pull off something like that. I just wouldnt allow them to do it with staffs or polearms though ^^

[Quake]

Quake, you're such a munchkin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm not a munchkin, he is. And he's way ahead of the bayonet, he even has an underbarrel chainsaw. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Neraph]

*cough cough* .... I statted a chainsword up. And a Lancer. And a Gatling Laser. And a Grammaton Cleric who's a troll using sniper rifles. And the Blood Lord. And and and....

I actually thought you were going to link back to one of my threads with that.