Designing a unique weapon.., Any idea how to create a sword-pistol? |
Designing a unique weapon.., Any idea how to create a sword-pistol? |
Mar 19 2004, 09:54 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 23-April 03 Member No.: 4,489 |
Just for fun, I'm trying to create Cervantes (from Soul Calibur) as a shadowrun character. Not having too much trouble with the stats (ghoul physad with ambidexterity and an emphasis on edged weapons), but I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to create his signature "pistol-sword." (the right hand sword in the image I linked to)
Any suggestions? |
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Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 30-December 03 Member No.: 5,942 |
Cannon Companion has rules for creating custom firearms.
I would suggest taking the 'melee hardenned' advantage, and adding the cost of the closest sword (presumably, the katana) to the cost of melee hardenning a weapon. I also feel that you should suffer an accuracy pentalty from firing something like a gun-sword. The bracelet gun has a -2 I think. The penalty is due to the funky non-pistol way of pointing and shooting. A GM might allow a special 'martial-arts' manuver where one would fire the sword as one stabbed (I'd add +2 to the power of the stab and call it good) [again, more Cannon Companion fun] |
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Mar 19 2004, 10:11 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Using CC rules, a custom variant of "melee hardening" that is at least double the normal costs plus the cost of a blade to attach.
The above only if the GM has approved the concept. The best time to implement that is when the GM has suggested the idea. |
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Mar 20 2004, 12:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 413 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,835 |
Actually, I'm not sure it would be all that hard to aim. If you look at some of the old pistols (especiallt flemish horse-pistols), they had grips that were almost collinear with the blade. I imagine that a sword-pistol would probably have a similar shape. If you can point a flashlight, you can probably point a gun-sword. Let's face it, if I had a sword with a firearm built in, I'd probably want it to be something that is heavy-hitting, close range, as a "Surprise!" for whoever I'm fighting. Lack of iron sights, and the nonstandard grip, yes ... I can see that as making it harder to shoot things at a distance. I think that a better way to solve that (than a +1 or +2 to TN) is to simply make the ranges smaller. Heck, why not simply say that it has hold-out ranges (since most holdouts are probably just as hard to aim), even if it's firing a 10 guage buckshot? :-) That's what I'd do. |
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Mar 20 2004, 01:14 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
I'm with gknoy... Most 'pirate boarding daggers' as they were called didn't have a knife grip, but a pistol grip, for more accurate shooting. Why a pistol grip? Because a lot of Epees, Rapiers and the like already used bent-grip handles. Granted, until very late in the history of them, they were pretty crappy and prone to breaking. That wouldn't be the case in 2060, though, what with using refined metals and non-flintlock actions. <G>
I also agree with the +2 power to the melee attack if you had a manouver that let you shoot once you'd stabbed someone. That's the rule I came up with for a guy's palm-shotgun - do an open-hand attack and if you get at least 2 successes up before body, the shotgun goes off and adds +2 to the power for the Body roll. |
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Mar 20 2004, 03:26 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
There is a picture of a gun-sword on page 66 of Cyberpirates. It's a katana pistol with two handels, one pistol, and one sword handel with a special do-dad I assume is used to fire the gun when you have stabbed thine enemy.
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Mar 20 2004, 03:57 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
As long as we're on the topic, what about custom melee weapons, like sword-chucks?
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Mar 20 2004, 04:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825 |
And gopher chucks.
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Mar 20 2004, 04:23 PM
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sword-pistol..... isn't that rather like a bayonetted rifle?
do a google on WWI & WWII for more info. <edit> moron me. looks like your more sorted than i am... |
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Mar 20 2004, 05:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Bah. Lack of an ability to delete posts sucks.
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Mar 20 2004, 07:26 PM
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Nuklear Power? |
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Mar 20 2004, 08:25 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Sword chucks:
reach of double that of the sword type used. (1*2=2, 2*2=4, but 0*2 ~= 1) damage is the same as that of the sword type if you fail to connect for any reason, you must resist (sword damage) if you connect and kill the enemy with one hit, you must resist (half sword damage) if you connect and don't kill the enemy, you must resist (number of failed dice)L |
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Mar 20 2004, 08:35 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 7-March 04 Member No.: 6,130 |
YOU CAN'T HOLD THE DAMM THINGS!
(Read NuklearPower.com) |
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Mar 20 2004, 08:47 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
The chain is unsharpened.
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Mar 20 2004, 08:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Seidaku:
Believe it or not, what you propose is not a new idea. The U.S. Navy experimented with such a concept in the 1830s. The weapon was called the "Elgin cutlass pistol", and was made in Massachusetts. It was a single-shot, .36-caliber percussion ("cap-and-ball") weapon with a Bowie-style knife blade mounted under the barrel--the blades were usually 6 to 10 inches in length, measured from the pistol's muzzle. Some versions had a handguard like a traditional cutlass, designed to protect the fingers of the user's shooting hand if he were using a sword or other bladed weapon in his free hand. The weapons were intended for use by U.S. Navy personnel, in close-combat situations--which, in that day, usually meant they would either be used to (a) repel boarders or (b) by members of a boarding party. As most pistols in that day were single-shots (COL. Sam Colt didn't market his first commercially successful revolver, the so-called "Texas Paterson", until 1836, and it was made in very small numbers), the idea was to give the user a weapon with which to defend himself once the pistol barrel was discharged. Here's a link to show you what an Elgin cutlass pistol looked like: http://www.ken-drake.com/ This is just a suggestion, mind you, but I think what you're looking for would be a more modern (i.e., 2060s) interpretation-- perhaps a burst-fire pistol with a folding blade (a mono-wakizashi, maybe?) under the barrel, or something of the sort? --Foreigner |
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Mar 20 2004, 11:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 23-April 03 Member No.: 4,489 |
Hmm.. how does this sound, as a possible way of achieving the goal:
A top-mounted weapon accessory that adds something like -2 to concealability, but also allows the gun to be used in melee as a (STR)L edged weapon (reach 0)? |
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Mar 21 2004, 12:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Genius! We could call it.... a bayonet!
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Mar 21 2004, 02:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
Sword gun, eh? Didn't Final Fantasy VIII do this first?
I haven't played the game, but always wondered what the hell was up with this weapon... |
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Mar 21 2004, 03:04 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
The popularization is mostly due to FF8, but the premise was originally from the days of muzzle loaded weapons.
When you were in a combat zone and could only get one shot off, you could either drop the now useless gun or alter the design so it has a melee use. I've also seen pistol-hammers and pistol-axes where the barrel of the gun served as the handle of the axe/hammer. |
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Mar 21 2004, 03:30 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
You can also try Lazamataz's Hell Glock.
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Mar 21 2004, 04:38 PM
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:eek: Is that a mock up, or just a bunch of photos stuck together? :eek:
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Mar 21 2004, 05:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Photoediting. And really bad quality. Looks almost as ridiculous as anime-style gunblades.
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Mar 21 2004, 05:09 PM
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Thought so.
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Mar 21 2004, 07:11 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
But it is one of the best 9mm, 50 caliber, 12 gauge art pieces in its class.
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Mar 21 2004, 07:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 7-March 04 Member No.: 6,130 |
Correction: only
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