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post Mar 22 2011, 05:01 AM
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So when I first started playing SR I saw the assault cannon in the gear section of the BBB and memories of Ceres Victoria (police girl from Hellsing) flashed through my mind, and I thought they'd be awesome. After learning a bit more about the rules it seems that they're basically useless. For pure damage, a cheap AK-97 firing on full auto will take the same amount of actions, deal more damage, be more flexible (narrow or wide burst) and have the potential to hit multiple targets. For range, I suppose they're a little more damage than a sniper rifle, though the fact that they have no ammunition options and a slower rate of fire is against them.

Also, in the description of the Ares Vigorous Assault Cannon (page 20, Arsenal) it mentions that users complain about the enormous recoil of the gun. However, the weapon is single shot and unless I misunderstand the rules for recoil, single shot weapons do not incur any recoil modifiers? (page 152, SR4A)

Are there rules I'm not aware of governing Assault Cannons, or are they merely a redundant flavor thing? I mean, some are okay, like the Gauss Rifle that halves armor, but the basic ones seem worthless. I want to like them, but I can't bring myself to use a weapon that doesn't have at least some reason to pick it over another.
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- Hound   Assault Cannons   Mar 22 2011, 05:01 AM
- - phlapjack77   Off the top of my head, I'd say reasons to pic...   Mar 22 2011, 05:15 AM
- - Hound   Well I mean even a pistol would have recoil, wheth...   Mar 22 2011, 05:42 AM
|- - Faraday   Assault cannon recoil tends to be a matter of comf...   Mar 22 2011, 05:53 AM
- - Hound   haha yeah, that makes sense I can't even ima...   Mar 22 2011, 05:55 AM
- - SpellBinder   Arsenal has a weapon modification that can turn an...   Mar 22 2011, 05:57 AM
|- - Hound   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 22 2011, 12:57 A...   Mar 22 2011, 09:43 AM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Hound @ Mar 22 2011, 02:43 AM) so,...   Mar 22 2011, 09:25 PM
- - Summerstorm   Eh, recoiless rifle is an assault cannon too, yes?...   Mar 22 2011, 06:05 AM
|- - Faraday   Sounds like you're referring to the Thunderstr...   Mar 22 2011, 06:46 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Faraday @ Mar 22 2011, 01:46 AM) S...   Mar 22 2011, 12:17 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 02:17 ...   Mar 22 2011, 12:51 PM
||- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Mäx @ Mar 22 2011, 08:51 AM) 1.The...   Mar 22 2011, 01:15 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 06:15 ...   Mar 22 2011, 01:27 PM
||- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 22 2011, 08...   Mar 22 2011, 01:49 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 06:49 ...   Mar 22 2011, 01:54 PM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 03:49 ...   Mar 22 2011, 02:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 05:17 ...   Mar 22 2011, 12:54 PM
- - Stahlseele   And why WOULD you give an AC more than SA anyway? ...   Mar 22 2011, 10:51 AM
- - Mäx   One other good reason for getting assault cannon i...   Mar 22 2011, 11:56 AM
- - Stahlseele   Well, one could argue that they are explosives wit...   Mar 22 2011, 12:35 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Assault Cannons are intended to be used against Re...   Mar 22 2011, 12:48 PM
- - Yerameyahu   The Thunderstuck really is a whole different thing...   Mar 22 2011, 01:37 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 06:37 AM...   Mar 22 2011, 01:47 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 22 2011, 08...   Mar 22 2011, 01:55 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 22 2011, 06:55 ...   Mar 22 2011, 01:58 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 22 2011, 08...   Mar 22 2011, 02:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   Probably. Else just use the Explosives rules, seei...   Mar 22 2011, 01:40 PM
- - Badmoodguy88   I think some modifications can not be made on assa...   Mar 22 2011, 01:54 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Stahlseele, making Assault Cannon rounds explosive...   Mar 22 2011, 02:05 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, what about the demolition rules? Doesn...   Mar 22 2011, 02:08 PM
- - CanRay   Bangalore?   Mar 22 2011, 02:13 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Hehe, I assume any such effects are already factor...   Mar 22 2011, 02:13 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 03:13 PM...   Mar 22 2011, 02:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I wonder if it would be a good idea to *really* bo...   Mar 22 2011, 02:38 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 07:38 AM...   Mar 22 2011, 04:15 PM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 10:38 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 02:29 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 22 2011, 10:29 P...   Mar 23 2011, 11:22 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Mar 23 2011, 12:22 ...   Mar 23 2011, 08:02 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Ryu @ Mar 23 2011, 04:02 PM) The T...   Mar 23 2011, 08:15 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Again, only if you ignore the 'no exotic ammo...   Mar 22 2011, 09:40 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 11:40 PM...   Mar 22 2011, 09:48 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Or, say, assault cannon rounds. Or Gauss rounds. O...   Mar 22 2011, 09:50 PM
- - SpellBinder   Didn't think assault cannons in general were c...   Mar 22 2011, 10:11 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 22 2011, 04:11 P...   Mar 22 2011, 10:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The foldable...   Mar 22 2011, 10:17 PM
- - SpellBinder   I could take a house rule on it, either which way;...   Mar 22 2011, 10:49 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I kinda go by the fact that assault cannon, AV ass...   Mar 22 2011, 10:55 PM
- - InfinityzeN   I'm going to chime in with Yerameyahu there. ...   Mar 23 2011, 01:48 AM
- - Yerameyahu   And possibly Flechette, though I think that only a...   Mar 23 2011, 02:32 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 07:32 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 02:49 AM
|- - Fauxknight   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 22 2011, 09:32 PM...   Mar 24 2011, 05:33 PM
- - CanRay   I thought the Barrett was the "Cobra Assault ...   Mar 23 2011, 02:51 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 22 2011, 07:51 PM) I ...   Mar 23 2011, 02:53 AM
||- - darthmord   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 22 2011, 10...   Mar 23 2011, 12:23 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (darthmord @ Mar 23 2011, 06:23 AM)...   Mar 23 2011, 12:53 PM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 23 2011, 10:51 AM) I ...   Mar 23 2011, 02:57 AM
- - CanRay   Yes, I'm an evil bastard. No, I don't car...   Mar 23 2011, 03:03 AM
- - Yerameyahu   The Thunderstruck is a very special, extra-illegal...   Mar 23 2011, 08:16 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 23 2011, 04:16 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 08:20 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 23 2011, 09:16 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 08:24 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ryu @ Mar 23 2011, 01:24 PM) I´d t...   Mar 24 2011, 02:12 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 24 2011, 03...   Mar 24 2011, 08:21 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Ryu @ Mar 24 2011, 04:21 AM) Depen...   Mar 24 2011, 11:51 AM
- - Yerameyahu   StealthSigma: One problem at a time. I assume thi...   Mar 23 2011, 08:26 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 23 2011, 04:26 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 08:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I see them listed as -4/-6, but either way. I...   Mar 23 2011, 08:50 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 23 2011, 10:50 PM...   Mar 23 2011, 09:07 PM
- - Stahlseele   i stand by my point of explosives rules for AC rou...   Mar 23 2011, 08:52 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes, that too. I think there are several possible ...   Mar 23 2011, 08:54 PM
- - Stahlseele   Power -2 per meter, like AV Missles?   Mar 23 2011, 08:56 PM
- - Doc Chase   Half delirious with fever, but-- I thought agains...   Mar 23 2011, 08:59 PM
- - Stahlseele   In SR3, normal sniper rounds would not scratch har...   Mar 23 2011, 09:01 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You're right, thanks. The correct table is on...   Mar 24 2011, 01:53 AM
- - Neurosis   QUOTE (Hound @ Mar 22 2011, 12:01 AM) So ...   Mar 24 2011, 10:02 PM
- - Yerameyahu   And can't beat armor, don't forget.   Mar 24 2011, 10:11 PM
- - Dumori   I got to point out a stupid following of the rules...   Mar 25 2011, 06:05 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dumori @ Mar 24 2011, 11:05 PM) I ...   Mar 25 2011, 12:42 PM
|- - Fauxknight   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 25 2011, 07...   Mar 25 2011, 04:51 PM
- - Stahlseele   It's basically exactly the opposite of Damage ...   Mar 25 2011, 04:59 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 25 2011, 09:59 AM...   Mar 25 2011, 05:43 PM


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