Building Binky, the elusive centaur revealed? Options

[longbowrocks]

Hey guys, Binky the centaur has come up a few times in the threads I've been reading. People say to use the search function, so I do, and end up finding one or two vague hints, and more people saying to use the search function.
The most complete post I found was by Stahlsteel, who originally came up with the concept:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry714247
Binky in abstract is supposed to be an extremely fast, super armored centaur. However, the design so far is arguable (admitted by Stahl as well) and the description is incomplete.
All in all, I feel this should be brought up for several reasons:

• Many people are like me and have no idea about Binky.
• Might as well make a valid, complete character since the concept was often referenced but never completely developed.
• From what I've seen, we argue about this sort of thing a lot on Dumpshock.
• Arguing is fun.

I'll start, and please forgive me for inaccuracies and the short description since I don't have my books on hand. For speed we have:

• Centaur, for 100 base speed.
• Skimmer disks, to double that to 200 speed.
• Raptor legs/Satyr legs/Celerity, to increase total speed to 250. I argue that these works work with Skimmer disks because:
  A) Skimmer disks work something like rollerblades, eliminating the loss of speed from planting your foot. The difference is that skimmers are only limited by air friction. This explains why skimmers multiply your speed instead of making it an absolute value. In other words, if you can run faster they let you go faster (realistically, these should stack multiplicatively with the leg bonus for 300 total).
  B) The rules still don't forbid speed bonus stacking, even with the errata.

I'll post about the armor when I get a chance.

[Yerameyahu]

There's no need to pretend there's a reasonable basis for things (like the skimmers). Just say 'the rules don't say you can't'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) For me, I feel like it's enough to wave at the vague concept of Binky, but do the stats if you want.

[Ramorta]

If you stat it, it can be killed.

Binky is the indestructable equine hovertank of doom.

[longbowrocks]

Stahl said 42 internal armor. Whether that stacks with worn or not, there's still body, for a total of 50+ dice on DR tests. Eat your heart out pornomancer.

[Makki]

there's no armor against the pornomancer

[Yerameyahu]

Actually, there's chemseal, mage mask, audio dampers… (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rasumichin]

At the very core of Binky's design lies the maximum exploitation of stacking cyberlimb armor.
Binky is only Binky if he has Shiva Arms II, for a total of 10 limbs (6 arms, 4 legs), plus torso, plus head, all cybernetically replaced and fully armored.
This means his cyberlimb armor clocks in at a whopping 48 (if you bulkmod the skull and use the full 8 points of capacity for armor).

Beyond numbercrunching for max armor and speed, Binky was never statted out, but there's a pic of him floating around somewhere.

If you go full deltaware on the limbs, it would even be possible to have an Awakened Binky with a few points of Essence left, which means more armor due to spells, adept powers and the like, but the original concept was probably at least implied to be a cyberzombie instead.

[Medicineman]

Binky's a Cyberzombie and radiates a Backgrundcount of 4....
so If a Poromancer is not gonna eat his Heart out, Binky's gonna make him do it
also Binky's never alone in the upgrated Version,best protection against a Pornomancer
@Rasumichin
Binky's not totally cyber-armored-Up. some Slots are left for Gimmicks (IIRC)

with a protected Dance
Medicineman

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Binky's not totally cyber-armored-Up. some Slots are left for Gimmicks (IIRC)

with a protected Dance
Medicineman

Well, you cannot armor up totally, as there are more slots than armor allowed (4 points of Armor per Limb, max), so yes, Binky will also have cool gimmicks as well...

[Stahlseele]

Well, the basic concept WAS maxed out armor.
And 10 limbs at standard grade means just from limbs going into -4 essence.
With Torso and Skull, he'd be at about -6 Essence i think.
But because it's a critter, you NEED delta, thus you don't get into cyber-zombie territory i guess.

[Ramorta]

Since Delta isn't available at character creation, doesn't that automatically make Binky just a thought exercise?

[Stahlseele]

It was never meant as anything else.
And hey, it got me/him an honourless mention up there with Brick, Bloodzilla, Spidertroll and the Pornomancer ^^
edited:
Here's the Picture Squinky drew for me . . i still don't know how he knew what i wanted the head/face to look like <.<
http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/a...alypse-95924176

[Medicineman]

Since Delta isn't available at character creation, doesn't that automatically make Binky just a thought exercise?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
As if Binky was ever anything else.....

with a laughing Dance
Medicineman

[Doc Chase]

Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.

[Ramorta]

Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.

Deus help us all.

[Stahlseele]

Actually, Ares/GMC ^^

[Makki]

Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.

I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right? unless there's a pixie in one of the limbs' smuggling compartment counterspelling, ofc

[Stahlseele]

Well, the CZ/Cyborg Combination would have given him the 4 BGC from the CZ and the -4 to dice pool for magicing him from the Cyborg Part.
There isn't all that much living tissue left that can go to sleep to begin with. Hell, technically, even if he was dead asleep *snickers*, he'd still stay upright standing due to all of the heavy metal used in there ^^

[ggodo]

If you stat it, it can be killed.

Binky is the indestructable equine hovertank of doom.

This is why Bubba The Love Troll has no stats. He cannot be killed.
He will be here forever
[img]http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/art/Bubba-the-Love-Troll-69746133?q=gallery%3Asquinkyproductions%2F18552582&qo=104[/img]

[Rasumichin]

I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right?

It's not that hard to give Binky 4 IP.
The base cost of the limbs is 12.25 Essence.
Adapsin, a custom cybersuit design and Biocompatibility (Cyber) would reduce that to a mere 2.45.
Plenty of room left for a Synaptic Accelerator 3, or even a Move By Wire 3 (more like an actual fly-by-wire in this case).
You better stunbolt fast before he points all of those guns in your direction.

[Yerameyahu]

And it's a mere billion Nuyen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) You have infinity Nuyen to use, so it's 'easy'. Hehe.

[Stahlseele]

When you are Ares/GMC, yes, yes it is . .
Still not nearly ripe for mass production.

[longbowrocks]

I need to convince my GM to build one of these, no matter how broken, and have it be his plot excuse device: "You can't go that way. Binky's there with his thermographic ultrasound stereoscopic vision, and a sattelite loaded with a THOR mounted on his shoulder."

[Medicineman]

I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right? unless there's a pixie in one of the limbs' smuggling compartment counterspelling, ofc

there is/was a Pixie ...but it was in one of Binkys Saddlebags and IIRC it was an Adept Hacker, but It could also be a Mytic Adept with Counterspelling...:Watcha Think Stahlseele ?

HeyaHeyaHeya
Medicineman

[Stahlseele]

*shrugs* strap one to each leg and call it a day? ^^