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longbowrocks
Hey guys, Binky the centaur has come up a few times in the threads I've been reading. People say to use the search function, so I do, and end up finding one or two vague hints, and more people saying to use the search function.
The most complete post I found was by Stahlsteel, who originally came up with the concept:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry714247
Binky in abstract is supposed to be an extremely fast, super armored centaur. However, the design so far is arguable (admitted by Stahl as well) and the description is incomplete.
All in all, I feel this should be brought up for several reasons:
  • Many people are like me and have no idea about Binky.
  • Might as well make a valid, complete character since the concept was often referenced but never completely developed.
  • From what I've seen, we argue about this sort of thing a lot on Dumpshock.
  • Arguing is fun.


I'll start, and please forgive me for inaccuracies and the short description since I don't have my books on hand. For speed we have:
  • Centaur, for 100 base speed.
  • Skimmer disks, to double that to 200 speed.
  • Raptor legs/Satyr legs/Celerity, to increase total speed to 250. I argue that these works work with Skimmer disks because:
    A) Skimmer disks work something like rollerblades, eliminating the loss of speed from planting your foot. The difference is that skimmers are only limited by air friction. This explains why skimmers multiply your speed instead of making it an absolute value. In other words, if you can run faster they let you go faster (realistically, these should stack multiplicatively with the leg bonus for 300 total).
    B) The rules still don't forbid speed bonus stacking, even with the errata.


I'll post about the armor when I get a chance.
Yerameyahu
There's no need to pretend there's a reasonable basis for things (like the skimmers). Just say 'the rules don't say you can't'. smile.gif For me, I feel like it's enough to wave at the vague concept of Binky, but do the stats if you want.
Ramorta
If you stat it, it can be killed.

Binky is the indestructable equine hovertank of doom.
longbowrocks
Stahl said 42 internal armor. Whether that stacks with worn or not, there's still body, for a total of 50+ dice on DR tests. Eat your heart out pornomancer.
Makki
there's no armor against the pornomancer
Yerameyahu
Actually, there's chemseal, mage mask, audio dampers… biggrin.gif
Rasumichin
At the very core of Binky's design lies the maximum exploitation of stacking cyberlimb armor.
Binky is only Binky if he has Shiva Arms II, for a total of 10 limbs (6 arms, 4 legs), plus torso, plus head, all cybernetically replaced and fully armored.
This means his cyberlimb armor clocks in at a whopping 48 (if you bulkmod the skull and use the full 8 points of capacity for armor).

Beyond numbercrunching for max armor and speed, Binky was never statted out, but there's a pic of him floating around somewhere.

If you go full deltaware on the limbs, it would even be possible to have an Awakened Binky with a few points of Essence left, which means more armor due to spells, adept powers and the like, but the original concept was probably at least implied to be a cyberzombie instead.
Medicineman
Binky's a Cyberzombie and radiates a Backgrundcount of 4....
so If a Poromancer is not gonna eat his Heart out, Binky's gonna make him do it
also Binky's never alone in the upgrated Version,best protection against a Pornomancer
@Rasumichin
Binky's not totally cyber-armored-Up. some Slots are left for Gimmicks (IIRC)

with a protected Dance
Medicineman
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Medicineman @ Apr 4 2011, 12:18 PM) *
Binky's not totally cyber-armored-Up. some Slots are left for Gimmicks (IIRC)

with a protected Dance
Medicineman

Well, you cannot armor up totally, as there are more slots than armor allowed (4 points of Armor per Limb, max), so yes, Binky will also have cool gimmicks as well...
Stahlseele
Well, the basic concept WAS maxed out armor.
And 10 limbs at standard grade means just from limbs going into -4 essence.
With Torso and Skull, he'd be at about -6 Essence i think.
But because it's a critter, you NEED delta, thus you don't get into cyber-zombie territory i guess.
Ramorta
Since Delta isn't available at character creation, doesn't that automatically make Binky just a thought exercise?
Stahlseele
It was never meant as anything else.
And hey, it got me/him an honourless mention up there with Brick, Bloodzilla, Spidertroll and the Pornomancer ^^
edited:
Here's the Picture Squinky drew for me . . i still don't know how he knew what i wanted the head/face to look like <.<
http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/a...alypse-95924176
Medicineman
QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 4 2011, 02:35 PM) *
Since Delta isn't available at character creation, doesn't that automatically make Binky just a thought exercise?


spin.gif spin.gif grinbig.gif grinbig.gif grinbig.gif
As if Binky was ever anything else.....

with a laughing Dance
Medicineman
Doc Chase
Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.
Ramorta
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Apr 4 2011, 02:45 PM) *
Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.


Deus help us all.
Stahlseele
Actually, Ares/GMC ^^
Makki
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Apr 4 2011, 01:45 PM) *
Binky isn't a shadowrunner, he's what Mitsuhama rolls out when the runners break into the Zero Zone.

I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right? unless there's a pixie in one of the limbs' smuggling compartment counterspelling, ofc
Stahlseele
Well, the CZ/Cyborg Combination would have given him the 4 BGC from the CZ and the -4 to dice pool for magicing him from the Cyborg Part.
There isn't all that much living tissue left that can go to sleep to begin with. Hell, technically, even if he was dead asleep *snickers*, he'd still stay upright standing due to all of the heavy metal used in there ^^
ggodo
QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 4 2011, 10:54 AM) *
If you stat it, it can be killed.

Binky is the indestructable equine hovertank of doom.

This is why Bubba The Love Troll has no stats. He cannot be killed.
He will be here forever
[img]http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/art/Bubba-the-Love-Troll-69746133?q=gallery%3Asquinkyproductions%2F18552582&qo=104[/img]
Rasumichin
QUOTE (Makki @ Apr 4 2011, 07:55 PM) *
I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right?


It's not that hard to give Binky 4 IP.
The base cost of the limbs is 12.25 Essence.
Adapsin, a custom cybersuit design and Biocompatibility (Cyber) would reduce that to a mere 2.45.
Plenty of room left for a Synaptic Accelerator 3, or even a Move By Wire 3 (more like an actual fly-by-wire in this case).
You better stunbolt fast before he points all of those guns in your direction.
Yerameyahu
And it's a mere billion Nuyen. smile.gif You have infinity Nuyen to use, so it's 'easy'. Hehe.
Stahlseele
When you are Ares/GMC, yes, yes it is . .
Still not nearly ripe for mass production.
longbowrocks
I need to convince my GM to build one of these, no matter how broken, and have it be his plot excuse device: "You can't go that way. Binky's there with his thermographic ultrasound stereoscopic vision, and a sattelite loaded with a THOR mounted on his shoulder."
Medicineman
QUOTE (Makki @ Apr 4 2011, 02:55 PM) *
I can still go first in intiative and overcast stunbolt him to sleep, right? unless there's a pixie in one of the limbs' smuggling compartment counterspelling, ofc

there is/was a Pixie ...but it was in one of Binkys Saddlebags and IIRC it was an Adept Hacker, but It could also be a Mytic Adept with Counterspelling...:Watcha Think Stahlseele ?

HeyaHeyaHeya
Medicineman
Stahlseele
*shrugs* strap one to each leg and call it a day? ^^
fazzamar
A friend of mine (Seerow), who would post himself if the request he submitted three days ago to be able to signup for the forum would get approved, asked me to post this reply...


QUOTE
*shrugs* strap one to each leg and call it a day? ^^


You guys are still thinking way too small here. Let's give this counterspelling pixie about as much karma to play around with as you would expect for someone who's riding around with 1 billion nuyen worth of equipment. Now, let's have said counterspelling pixie initiate a few times with that, pick up the expected
shielding/absorption, but with the last one, you pick up ally spirit. Said ally spirit is going to have the inhabitation power.

You are now going to have said ally spirit inhabit Binky, but aim for either hybrid form or flesh form. We've gone for at least 3 initiations, so we're looking 9 magic. So get a force 9 spirit in there, with all your binding going towards helping binky win the test.
Now you have binky with the added bonus of a Force 9 Immunity to Natural Weapons, and +9 to all physical stats, and whatever 9 spirit powers you choose that fit Binky. For bonus points, you can give him magical guard, and counterspelling, so he can even help the pixie with his counterspelling.
Yerameyahu
Well, that's just getting silly. smile.gif If you're doing all that, why bother with Binky?
Badmoodguy88
Binky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Binky- try to take over the world!
longbowrocks
I guess Binky can't be a free spirit, but how about the pixie? Nothing says "I'm immortal" like free spirit.
  • initiate up to level 6, then max your magic and boost all your stats to 12. better yet, initiate to 14 and make it 20. Don't worry, you have lots of roleplaying karma from experimenting on countless generations of people and small animals to make this possible.
  • get one of those silly positive qualities that takes you off the radar, like erased for 10 BP, or combine several so no one will get your spirit formula and banish you.
  • someone killed you? Resurrect in 28 days or less and kill them back.
  • want to add some sweet qualities? Forget it: free spirits have a short list of qualities they can't take. Actually, the list spans a paragraph and includes anything useful.
Glyph
Note that Binky doesn't really need any defense against a pornomancer.

"You successfully seduce Binky. Resist 20P damage."
longbowrocks
Oh god.
Stahlseele
*nods*
Binky The Love-Centaur.
When Bubba gets tired.
Shaikujin
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 4 2011, 06:37 PM) *
It was never meant as anything else.
And hey, it got me/him an honourless mention up there with Brick, Bloodzilla, Spidertroll and the Pornomancer ^^
edited:
Here's the Picture Squinky drew for me . . i still don't know how he knew what i wanted the head/face to look like <.<
http://squinkyproductions.deviantart.com/a...alypse-95924176


Six-armed Centaur you say? This might be of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUSJmu2VnKw#t=05m15s



The manga it comes from is called "kekkaishi" -

http://kekkaishi.wikia.com/wiki/Gagin
longbowrocks
QUOTE (Shaikujin @ Apr 5 2011, 06:35 AM) *
Six-armed Centaur you say? This might be of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUSJmu2VnKw#t=05m15s



The manga it comes from is called "kekkaishi" -

http://kekkaishi.wikia.com/wiki/Gagin

Wow, it's been a while since I saw that. I don't think I would have remembered the centaur though. It wasn't my favorite anime.
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