AI - storage? Options

[The Jopp]

I think the cluster of bullets would need at least one standard node device in it since RFID tags are peripheral nodes which can't run programs they weren't built to run.

Well...Guns are nodes...And the ammo could be memory storage for the AI...

[The Jopp]

Signal of 0 is 3 meters, so if you had a bullet every 2.9 meters...

I certainly hope that the bullets in my clip are within 2,9 meters of each other.

Hmm, sending data to recipient weapon node through automatic fire towards node location (shoot towards owner of gun, infiltrate the targets gun with AI.)

[Yerameyahu]

The original premise was 'all of the ammo in Ares', not in a clip. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[The Jopp]

The original premise was 'all of the ammo in Ares', not in a clip. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Yes I know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/twirl.gif)

But remember, networking ammunition and weapons.

Load a grenade with destuctive programs and an agent or AI - Throw said Grenade towards enemies, infect their weapons and ammunition.

2,9 meters with networking can be interesting - not to mention that Security Tracker Rounds with RFID 150Y per 10 ammo have a device rating of 3...

That's signal rating 3 ammo for 7,5Y per shot. Add 500Y and for 57,5Y you have signal 4 ammo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

What's the device rating of grenades?

[Fortinbras]

Load a grenade with destuctive programs and an agent or AI - Throw said Grenade towards enemies, infect their weapons and ammunition.

Remember, the enemies have Matrix countermeasures, too. In order to infect the enemy's system, it has to get inside it, past the Firewalls and all that good stuff. In the meantime, the enemy's hackers and agents are doing all they can to prevent it while simultaniously trying to infect your system.
If there were a device that could simply be thrown and infect another device without electronic warfare, we'd be all over that.
This is what I assume happens in war in the 2070's. While mages are throwing spells with navy binoculars and grunts are on the ground, hurling massicve amounts of munitions at each other, a bunch of guys are in full VR inflicting more Dumpshock than a thread about how over powered magicians are.
Total freaking war! Awesome, right. If only someone would write a book about it.

Now having an AI on your side, that would be truly outstanding. No wonder the corps were so adamant on making sure they weren't declared legal species. Kind of makes all the sick stuff they did in Emergence make sense.
Now if only we could get our hands on some techno snakes!

[CanRay]

So you DDoS attack the Firewall with a brute force attempt called "Fully Automatic Fire"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

How the frag have I derailed the thread, yet it's still on the rails? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

They do not have a device rating of 3. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) You maniacs.

[longbowrocks]

Remember, the enemies have Matrix countermeasures, too. In order to infect the enemy's system, it has to get inside it, past the Firewalls and all that good stuff. In the meantime, the enemy's hackers and agents are doing all they can to prevent it while simultaniously trying to infect your system.

What about the surprise round? or several dozen surprise rounds? Who has ever heard of an AI who inhabits guns and propagates by grenades?

[Yerameyahu]

I subscribe to the view that, if you can think of it, 5 other organizations ranging from street gangs to megacorps already did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Halflife]

I subscribe to the view that, if you can think of it, 5 other organizations ranging from street gangs to megacorps already did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

A lot of people are breaking the laws of physics around here then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[CanRay]

A lot of people are breaking the laws of physics around here then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

That's ten years hard time if caught, BTW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[longbowrocks]

I subscribe to the view that, if you can think of it, 5 other organizations ranging from street gangs to megacorps already did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Jeez, how many AI's do you think there are in the SR universe? Especially AI's that capable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/talker.gif)

I can generally accept that view, but if it's something ridiculous and exotic, It's entirely likely no one has thought of it yet. Someone needs to be the first for every idea.

[Yerameyahu]

After the whole Crash and everything, probably a fair number. Not scads, but enough. Given that they live in computers, why *wouldn't* they have thought of this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Not like they need to, of course. There are much more stable mesh connections and proper nodes already in place everywhere.

[longbowrocks]

Not like they need to, of course. There are much more stable mesh connections and proper nodes already in place everywhere.

There's part of the reason I don't think they would have thought of this. It's a silly idea, and even if they happen upon it, they'll probably immediately discard the idea.
Since AI's live in computers, it's unlikely that they would see any advantages to uploading themselves into active munitions (well, Marvin from hitch hikers guide to the galaxy might). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, you say a fair number, but how many of those could conceivably pull this off? I imagine a lot of those are for more mundane purposes with low hacking capabilities, especially considering the shock from Deus.

[Fortinbras]

What about the surprise round? or several dozen surprise rounds? Who has ever heard of an AI who inhabits guns and propagates by grenades?

Surprise Round? In Matrix Combat? Even with your Mute option, no reason that infection can't be cleared out before the next combat turn.
AI's inhibiting guns may not be new, but viruses, agents and malware inhabiting it became old two seconds after they became wireless accessible.

That's why AI's are so dangerous and why so many crops trapped and experimented on them. If you really want to see how dangerous this AI inhabitation concept can be, rather than just the "throw a device, infect all tech" nonsense, check out the Animator power in Running Wild.
I gave that to the feral AI in the warehouse in Emergence and my group lost their minds.