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[Bigity]

Where does it say that about the spotter?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The rules say that the spotter must be one of the people casting the spell, ergo they roll dice and take drain. That's what the book says end of story. If you want to change the rules for your game, more power to you, but don't try to act like your rules are RAW, and please don't make assumptions about the rules when talking about RAW. Remember that RAW stands for "Rules as Written", and once again, the rules are very clear on this subject.

Yes, Please point that out to me TheOOB... I bet that you can't... Because you cannot be part of the Ritual unless you stay in the Lodge...

[Dakka Dakka]

TheOOB quoted it in post 53 I did it in post 67. In bold letters even.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

TheOOB quoted it in post 53 I did it in post 67. In bold letters even.

Me thinks it does not say what you think it does, however... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

No Where does it say what you keep implying. Ritual Members MUST be in the Ritual for the entire Ritual. Spotters need not follow that restriction, because they are not actually partaking in the Ritual of the Spell. They only act as Spotters. If you want to have them take the drain, more power to you, but since they are not actually channeling any of the mana, they should not suffer the Drain. Why are they not channeling the Mana? Because they have left the Lodge.

Your evidence is sorely lacking, and no amount of Bolding on your part is going to change that...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dakka Dakka]

The spotter:
-must be "a member of the group casting the ritual spell"
-must move to the target i.e. out of the lodge
(quotes above)

The rules do not say that the spotter ceases to be part of the group casting the ritual or that it is allowed for him to quit that group. As such the spotter is indeed casting the ritual spell as "the members of the group casting the ritual spell" are indeed casting the ritual spell. The rules give no indication that it is the members of the group casting the ritual spell except the spotter who are actually casting the ritual spell.

When casting begins, the dice pool is equal to the leader’s Ritual Spellcasting + Magic. Each additional member of the team makes a Ritual Spellcasting + Magic test as if they were casting the spell; their net hits are added as a dice pool bonus to the leader’s Ritual Spellcasting dice pool (see Teamwork Tests, p. 65).

Unless of course you are saying group=/=team. Then all bets are off as the team has never been defined.

[Bigity]

Does casting begin the same time the ritual begins? Or does the spotter have to create the link first?

[Dakka Dakka]

Who knows? The rules say nothing definite.

[Bigity]

Maybe not in this edition. Pretty sure other editions spelled out the sequence of events.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Group does not Equal Team...
And yes, they have been defined, The Members of the Team are the ones actually casting the Ritual Spell...
Group usually defines either a Tradition of Magic or an Initiatory Group...

And, Since we are just going in circles, I am calling it quits, for now at least... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Been an interesting Discussion though.

[TheOOB]

"The individual acting as the spotter must be a member of the group casting
the ritual—"

It's right there in black and white. The spotter is part of the group casting the spell. If your not casting the spell, your not part of the group casting the spell, ergo you can't be a spotter.

Should I just quote my post that had all the relevant information from the book, or are you going to ask me to keep repeating information that has already been stated?

[Bigity]

I concede the point there, but it's rather like saying the guy batting at the plate must be part of the group in the dugout.

The sentence could mean he's one of the spell casters, or he's a member of the group whose doing the spell casting.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I concede the point there, but it's rather like saying the guy batting at the plate must be part of the group in the dugout.

The sentence could mean he's ... a member of the group whose doing the spell casting.

This One... The Spotter is a Member of the Group (Large Entity), a group of which some of them are performing the Spellcasting (Small Entity). "The individual acting as the spotter must be a member of the group casting the ritual" does not mean that the Spotter is also casting the Ritual. All that means is that he belong to the group from which the Ritual Team is composed.

Anmyways... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[tagz]

"The individual acting as the spotter must be a member of the group casting
the ritual—"

Bigity is dead on. This sentence has two meanings depending on how you look at it. Just like a ton of other rules.

Given that a group just needs to decide which way they want to go with it. Neither is wrong by RAW as far as I can tell.

[Yerameyahu]

I dunno, that seems like a stretch. Does ritual sorcery even require everyone be in the same Magical Group? If so, would the Magical Group really be said to be "the group casting the ritual"? It doesn't sound like something you'd say, especially if it's a huge (membership) group with many local chapters.

[toturi]

The sentence could mean he's one of the spell casters, or he's a member of the group whose doing the spell casting.

Either interpretation would be fine if the portion of the rules that deal with making the Ritual Spellcasting test differentiates between members of the group (whole group) and members of the group that is doing the spellcasting. The only distinction in that section that I saw (IIRC) is between the leader and other members (the spotter is not excluded from this "other members").