So Lofwyr has 35 body, lets do this! Options

[Xahn Borealis]

I'm half expecting dark-skinned elf with twin swords to show up now...

You called?

[Glyph]

On the one hand, this give more fuel to the "If you give it stats, the players will kill it, just for the Lulz" crowd.

But on the other hand, I always thought immortal elves and great dragons were too damn overpowered for the Shadowrun setting. Shadowrun should NOT HAVE "named NPCs" in the sense of ludicrously powerful no-selling godlike beings. Beings like Lofwyr and Ehran the scribe should survive by their cunning, their planning, their connections, and their multiple levels of security. Meeting a spec ops team or a group of prime runners should be something they want to avoid - not something they can laugh off with contrived super-powers and inflated dice pools.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be tough - a normal dragon should be able to go toe to toe with a prime runner and win most of the time. A great dragon should be able to take on a whole team. But they should still be sweating a bit. And I think there has been too much wanking going on in the fluff, with great dragons surviving thor shots, invading modern cities, and crap like that. Hopefully the published stats will be more reasonable. I would rather have a munchkin bragging "I killed Lofwyr!", than have a set of great dragon stats that don't fit the scale of the overall game world.

[pbangarth]

Beings like Lofwyr and Ehran the scribe should survive by their cunning, their planning, their connections, and their multiple levels of security. Meeting a spec ops team or a group of prime runners should be something they want to avoid - not something they can laugh off with contrived super-powers and inflated dice pools.

I concur. And a being with 13 CHA, INT and LOG that has survived for thousands of years will have planned, connected and secured so many ways that one team of 800 BP characters should have no chance at all to penetrate to their target.

[toturi]

I concur. And a being with 13 CHA, INT and LOG that has survived for thousands of years will have planned, connected and secured so many ways that one team of 800 BP characters should have no chance at all to penetrate to their target.

But the problem with planning, connecting and securing so many ways is that in doing so also could make just as many other ways that one team of high BP characters have a good chance to penetrate and eliminate their target.

[CanRay]

There is one major rule that happens against the "If it's stated, we can kill it" rule when it comes to the major leagues:

"If you killed him, it wasn't really him."

[toturi]

"If you killed him, it wasn't really him."

It wasn't really him, unless it really was him.

[CanRay]

In which case, you only thought you killed him, and just pissed him off.

A lot.

And every Mr. Johnson you seem to meet keeps sending you to Ketchup factories for weird reasons... And you can get no other jobs. At all.

[toturi]

In which case, you only thought you killed him, and just pissed him off.

Oh no, you did not only think you killed him. You really did kill him. Permanently and absolutely. No buts, no howevers, no way outs. He is dead.

Only way he isn't is he came back from being dead. Maybe not even then.

[KarmaInferno]

If nothing else, a really serious attempt to kill him will get him to display the Dragon Power Armor he'd been developing.




-k

[PoliteMan]

In which case, you only thought you killed him, and just pissed him off.

Haven't there enough Doombots already?

[CanRay]

Haven't there enough Doombots already?

As Shadowrun lacks Squirrel Girl... No.

[suoq]

What kindo build would you go with?

One dryad with Glamour should do it. Why attack Lofwyr when he'll give you everything you want out of "awe, deference, and kindness"?

[toturi]

One dryad with Glamour should do it. Why attack Lofwyr when he'll give you everything you want out of "awe, deference, and kindness"?

True. Everything can be achieved because Friendship is Magic.

[Medicineman]

I've seen Lofwyr's stats. Have fun with that....

....oO(if it's got Stats it can be killed)
You just create that Dryad Pornomancer with 40 Dice in Con/Leadership and convince all Presidents of important Naitions (Cas,UCAS,NAN,Japan,etc) that Lofwyr is a Danger to Humanity than watch their Armies fight Saeder Krupp
well ,but then its in the Hands of the Gamemaster and not a Matter of....(Do You say "Prick comparision" in America ?) the competition between PC and NPC

with a thoughtfull Dance
Medicineman

[Blade]

The thing is that you can't correctly play a character with more than 6 in LOG and INT.

[Medicineman]

The thing is that you can't correctly play a character with more than 6 in LOG and INT.

But since nobody else can either Nobody'll know for sure if its played correctly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

with a correct Dance
Medicineman

[The Jopp]

Get someone with "Astral Hazing" within (Essence) range. Now the following happens:

1: His magic rating drops by 4
2: All magic actions are at a -4D6 (including counterspelling)
3: All drain is at a +4 = (F/2)+X +4
Etc...

Hit the dragon with mix of Eykyelbene (sp?) poison and DMSO from Arsenal. Each dose will have a chance to cause PERMANENT blindness.

At the same time you hit him with a F12 orgasm to incapacitate him.

Another possibility is to use a watercannon with a mix of DMSO and FAB3 bacterial solution.

[toturi]

Get someone with "Astral Hazing" within (Essence) range.

Have the guy with Astral Hazing be infected with MADS.

[UmaroVI]

On the one hand, this give more fuel to the "If you give it stats, the players will kill it, just for the Lulz" crowd.

But on the other hand, I always thought immortal elves and great dragons were too damn overpowered for the Shadowrun setting. Shadowrun should NOT HAVE "named NPCs" in the sense of ludicrously powerful no-selling godlike beings. Beings like Lofwyr and Ehran the scribe should survive by their cunning, their planning, their connections, and their multiple levels of security. Meeting a spec ops team or a group of prime runners should be something they want to avoid - not something they can laugh off with contrived super-powers and inflated dice pools.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be tough - a normal dragon should be able to go toe to toe with a prime runner and win most of the time. A great dragon should be able to take on a whole team. But they should still be sweating a bit. And I think there has been too much wanking going on in the fluff, with great dragons surviving thor shots, invading modern cities, and crap like that. Hopefully the published stats will be more reasonable. I would rather have a munchkin bragging "I killed Lofwyr!", than have a set of great dragon stats that don't fit the scale of the overall game world.

Yeah, the wanking to dragons and immortal elves is one of my least favorite parts of Shadowrun. I feel like character like Lofwyr or Ghostwalker or whatever work better as masterminds, but shit like "Dragons can totally burn down entire cities and nobody can stop them, olol" really clashes with the rest of the setting. And it doesn't help that Great Dragons have stats that are totally nowhere near powerful enough to do that, either. I'd much rather Ghostwalker took over Denver because he could use his knowledge and resources to raise and direct an effective rebellion or something like that, then flying in, being "olol, I'm unstoppable!" and taking over by the power of Plot.

[Mardrax]

At the same time you hit him with a F12 orgasm to incapacitate him.

And moving on to the next part of our tour of Saeder-Krupp landmarks, we're moving on to our great director and dragon overlord Lofwyr, in the process of having the biggest orgasm ever. You will find raincoats and hats in the bins against the wall.

[The Jopp]

And moving on to the next part of our tour of Saeder-Krupp landmarks, we're moving on to our great director and dragon overlord Lofwyr, in the process of having the biggest orgasm ever. You will find raincoats and hats in the bins against the wall.

Pretty much this - And if he survives, can you imagine the humiliation...

You also have the added "bonus" that the spell is sustainable, which essentially means that the victim will probably die from muscle cramps or dehydration.

[suoq]

Death by Snu-snu!

[Doc Byte]

Ok.


800 bp team of six runners vs Old Gold Snout.

What kindo build would you go with?

Well, let's see... I'd take:

1. A former wageslave now runner dog shaman
2. A human femal hermetic mage
3. An elven decker uhm hacker, whatever
4. An Orc merc
5. A native american street sam

Then I'd provide the sam - let's call him say Ghost-who-walks-inside - with a minigun and Lofwyr begone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Draco18s]

And moving on to the next part of our tour of Saeder-Krupp landmarks, we're moving on to our great director and dragon overlord Lofwyr, in the process of having the biggest orgasm ever. You will find raincoats and hats in the bins against the wall.

Just so you know, there are people out there who would draw that.

[Mardrax]

Just so you know, there are people out there who would draw that.

Fully the purview of rule 34, I fear.