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 Aug 17 2011, 08:08 PM
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Immortal Elf  Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392  |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 17 2011, 04:04 PM)  Well, I have to disagree with that sentiment... Normals can be assensed as well, does not make them Magical in any way, shape OR form. Not what I meant, plus I was playing the opposite side of the table. Personally I don't feel that the rules/fluff intend for technos to be magic, despite all appearances to the contrary. |
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Aug 17 2011, 08:11 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 17 2011, 02:08 PM) Not what I meant, plus I was playing the opposite side of the table. Personally I don't feel that the rules/fluff intend for technos to be magic, despite all appearances to the contrary. Gotcha... And I would agree with you. Technomancers are NOT magical in any way, shape, or form. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They use a similar mechanic, because having 57 seperate and distinct sets of sub-rules sucks (I am looking at you SR3). |
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Aug 17 2011, 09:48 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 17 2011, 03:11 PM) Gotcha... Why recreate the wheel when you can do something similar yet still have it work completely different, and just explain it away as, "Fragged if we know how this really works. We just do it."And I would agree with you. Technomancers are NOT magical in any way, shape, or form. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They use a similar mechanic, because having 57 seperate and distinct sets of sub-rules sucks (I am looking at you SR3). *Shrugs* I mean, hell, how many people who drive even know the basics of an internal combustion engine? Or all the Skript Kiddie Hackers out there that can't figure out what to do when their programs don't work when they try to hack the big ass ork with the salt-and-pepper hair and the old cyberdeck strapped to his arm? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Aug 17 2011, 09:50 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 17 2011, 03:48 PM) Why recreate the wheel when you can do something similar yet still have it work completely different, and just explain it away as, "Fragged if we know how this really works. We just do it." *Shrugs* I mean, hell, how many people who drive even know the basics of an internal combustion engine? Or all the Skript Kiddie Hackers out there that can't figure out what to do when their programs don't work when they try to hack the big ass ork with the salt-and-pepper hair and the old cyberdeck strapped to his arm? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) I Cannot argue any of that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I am a big fan for ease of use. In the end, I like the fact that Technomancers and Magicians are very similar in their rules set. *shrug* |
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Aug 17 2011, 10:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Then again, come to think of it, Magic also works off the "Fragged if we know how this really works. We just do it."
Despite all the high-level math that Hermetic Mages throw around like Professor Stephen Hawking on a Red Bull binge. |
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Aug 17 2011, 10:30 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
My personal belief is, there was life, with thoughts and emotions flying in the ether are all over the Earth, it created and shaped the Manasphere, and some people became able to manipulate mana. And then there are PAN, P2 status and private data flying in the electromagnetic spectrum all over the Earth, creating and shaping the Wireless Matrix, and some people becomes able to manipulate data.
Technomancers is no magic. But without realizing it, humanity replicated magic, creating a synthetic Datasphere that works the same way. |
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Aug 17 2011, 10:42 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Mental Note: Making a magician or technomancer that trips on hallucinogenics is a bad, bad, BAD idea.
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Aug 24 2011, 03:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 10-January 10 Member No.: 18,025 |
The Crash Brought the End of NERPS as a pervasive Meme. That was the intent.
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Aug 24 2011, 03:45 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (TheWanderingJewels @ Aug 23 2011, 10:26 PM) The Crash Brought the End of NERPS as a pervasive Meme. That was the intent. Sorry, but it still shows up.Even Crash 2.0 couldn't kill NERPS. |
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Aug 24 2011, 03:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 10-January 10 Member No.: 18,025 |
And yet not as Pervasive a Meme as it once NERPS!
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Aug 24 2011, 03:58 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
No, not as bad, I will confess.
... Have to fix that problem. |
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Aug 25 2011, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 17 2011, 08:38 PM) Possible. Although I never did understand how otaku + crash 2.0 = technos. Even in a pseudoscience "it's magic!" way. There's no detail, just kinda "it was A, then B happened, now it's C." E.g. no cause and effect relationship, just coincidental timing. Some folks beleive that evolution happens in leaps not tiny degrees of change. Maybe it was not the crash that caused the leap but the sudden existence of an all pervasive digital electromagnetic field. Then there is the possibility of guided evolution / selective breeding... Just because they aren't magical, doesn't mean they weren't created by magic. anything is posible when 6000 years old dragons start playing god. |
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Aug 25 2011, 01:57 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Zoot @ Aug 25 2011, 06:40 AM) Then there is the possibility of guided evolution / selective breeding... Just because they aren't magical, doesn't mean they weren't created by magic. anything is posible when 6000 years old dragons start playing god. They've been around long enough to do things right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Aug 25 2011, 10:20 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 17 2011, 11:12 AM) Consider for a moment that Big D didn't want Matrix 2.0 or even that he really wanted Crash 2.0 but that he wanted sentient AIs, but not ones like Deus or Mirage. That is, little baby AIs and not giant digital gods. As came up in another thread, an AI is largely immune to the primary powers of the horrors. So the best way to have gone about killing dues but at the same time giving rise to AIs, is to--essentially--cause a network war between the Big Boys (Mirage, Deus, and Megaera) that results in mutually assured destruction (and as a side effect, Crash 2.0) and the scattered remnants of sentience giving rise to smaller, less powerful, more benign AI programs. (In my own defense, "That's even dumber than the first one!"). Hmm... JackBNimble = Digital Ascension = A Humanity Largely Immune To Horrors Kaer 2.0? -k |
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Aug 31 2011, 12:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 10-January 10 Member No.: 18,025 |
the explain the Deep Dissonance Realms. Given that the Matrix is a Realm of the Mind and sorta a meta plane.....what if it's easier for them to get in because ti's crashed so many times
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Sep 28 2011, 09:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 28-August 08 From: Berlin, Germany Member No.: 16,285 |
Personal note: Apparently the only totally unlikely scenario is that a great dragon could actually not have a clue about something. Suddenly I remember why I switched to CP2020 all those years back...
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Sep 28 2011, 11:48 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (raben-aas @ Sep 28 2011, 05:02 AM) Personal note: Apparently the only totally unlikely scenario is that a great dragon could actually not have a clue about something. Suddenly I remember why I switched to CP2020 all those years back... I'm not against that idea either. There's just too much coincidental evidence to suggest otherwise. In either case it effects my game not at all. |
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Sep 28 2011, 11:54 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
QUOTE (raben-aas @ Sep 28 2011, 10:02 AM) Personal note: Apparently the only totally unlikely scenario is that a great dragon could actually not have a clue about something. Suddenly I remember why I switched to CP2020 all those years back... But how can we invent conspiracy theories about that? |
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Sep 28 2011, 02:49 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Sep 28 2011, 06:48 AM) I'm not against that idea either. There's just too much coincidental evidence to suggest otherwise. In either case it effects my game not at all. Where is this coincidental evidence? Please lay out the chain. |
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Sep 28 2011, 03:04 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (TheWanderingJewels @ Aug 31 2011, 07:56 AM) the explain the Deep Dissonance Realms. 4chan brought to life?
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Sep 28 2011, 03:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
I think 4chan would make even Horrors think twice.
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Sep 28 2011, 03:11 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
If you travel deep enough into the Deep Dissonance, you'll find Pedobear. He's waiting for you... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)
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Sep 28 2011, 04:05 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Sep 28 2011, 10:49 AM) Where is this coincidental evidence? Please lay out the chain. See: This thread |
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Sep 28 2011, 04:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Sep 28 2011, 11:05 AM) See: This thread What thread?
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Sep 28 2011, 04:53 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Sep 28 2011, 09:19 AM) What thread? I assume that he means the one that we are currently in... *shrug* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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