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 Sep 11 2011, 07:11 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514  |
So I think I basically understand how powers work for spirits and elemental's in SR4, but I'd like to make sure I am doing it right. The specific power I am questioning my read on is Engulf, as used by an Earth Elemental. Can an Earth Elemental use it's Engulf power on a moving vehicle? If so how exactly would you resolve this, mechanics wise? I apologize if this has been asked already, and I appreciate any constructive help.
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Sep 11 2011, 08:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
By my reading:
Engulf is resolved as a melee attack. In order to use it on a moving vehicle, the spirit rolls Agility+Unarmed, (or Force, which is the same) against the driver's Reaction+Pilot. (Response+Dodge for a rigger, Pilot+Defense for a Pilot program) If this succeeds, the vehicle needs to resist the spirit's Force worth of DV with Body+Armor immediately and every time the spirit's Action Phase comes up. Since a vehicle doesn't have Strength, it can't escape. |
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Sep 11 2011, 08:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I'd also compare body sizes of the vehicle and the spirit. If the spirit is smaller, it can't envelop the entire vehicle, just a part of it.
This is handy if you're stuck inside of said vehicle! And why the Hatchback version of the C-N Jackrabbit isn't a bad idea after all. |
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Sep 11 2011, 08:30 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Mardrax @ Sep 11 2011, 10:10 PM)  Since a vehicle doesn't have Strength, it can't escape. The vehicle rolls STR+BOD. The vehicle does have BOD. There is no rule saying that if you do not have one of the Attributes in an Attribute-only test, you may bot roll. So the vehicle gets to roll BOD.Oh and the Engulfer rolls MAG+BOD. So in case of an Earth Spirit that is 2*Force+4 @Canray: According to the description of the Power, the Engulfer needn't be of a certain size. It can also use "the terrain it controls", whatever that means. Additionally spirit size is pretty arbitrary (cf. Street Magic p. 96-97 "Spirit appearance" Sidebar) and there is nor rule that it is proportional to Force or BOD. |
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Sep 11 2011, 09:11 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
True enough. I was just thinking of a way to prevent people from whining when the street eats their car.
I've heard enough of that about the pot holes back home and here in Winnipeg. Swallow a sub-compact if you're not careful! |
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Sep 11 2011, 09:55 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Sep 11 2011, 01:30 PM) The vehicle rolls STR+BOD. I believe vehicles with mechanical arms use Body for Strength, so beware using it on humanoid vehicles - twice body can get very high. |
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Sep 11 2011, 10:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Earth Spirit Vs. Mech... Now that's a fight I want to see!!!
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Sep 11 2011, 10:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
I'd much rather have my air spirit materialize inside the cab and engulf the driver
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Sep 11 2011, 11:04 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Sep 11 2011, 10:30 PM) The vehicle rolls STR+BOD. The vehicle does have BOD. There is no rule saying that if you do not have one of the Attributes in an Attribute-only test, you may bot roll. So the vehicle gets to roll BOD. Ah. True this. |
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