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Startet here:http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...5817&st=150
This thread is about how to discuss rules. What is RAW and what is RAI? And how to to get RAW or RAI from the text. Examples of shadowrun can be used in this thread. A short introduction (my way of seeing it): If talking about the rules as written (RAW) you mean the rules how they are stated in the text. Meaning you only take into account the wording of the rules. Even if it leads to characters beeing unable to move, even if they are naked, people beeing able to hit a guy playing soccer in 1 mile distance 100% of the time, granades kill someone who would not even get a scratch from a direct hit of a assault cannon etc. This means you leave anything outside the rules out. No fluff, no descriptions not even common sense. And most important no thoughts about balance of any thought. (It would be too strong/A character like that would be unplayable are argument which should not be used in a RAW discussion.) RAI allows for fluff or similar ruling to be used. Those is of course only helpfull if RAW is seen as bad worded, meaning it is said like it would mean A but it is possible the intention was B. @Neraph QUOTE ("Neraph") QUOTE ("Irion") QUOTE ("Neraph") if someone were to say that all guns shot fish in SR and you said that they do not, the way to "win" this is not to simply yell back and forth at each other but to quote a place where guns are loaded with bullets and not fish. I'm not asking you to prove me wrong, I'm asking you to prove yourself right. And thats where you are wrong. You have to provide at least hints, that the guns are shooting fish. Thats exactly what shifting the burden of proof means. [1]All you need is an idea to assert a claim. [2]You need to quote rules to try and prove your side. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim. [3]Whenever one disagrees with someone else, the person in disagreement should quote rules or bring proof that their idea is valid. That is the very nature of the burden of proof. I have insertet numbers to address the different parts of your statement: [1]Yes, but the burden of proof is on you. (for your claim. Since mostly the other side has also a claim, they have their own "burden of proof") [2]Yes, this is exactly what I said and it is contradicting your fish example. [3]To a disagreement you need at least two people. Both are disagreeing with each other. This is contradicting your point made before, that "the burden of proof is on the person making a claim". |
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