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A Clockwork Lime
post Apr 21 2004, 08:17 PM
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APDS and AV should work just fine against Flesh-Forms, which are most likely what we'll be encountering if they're breeding them into paranormal critters like Young says. :)
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:20 PM
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Flesh-forms won't kill us as fast as true forms (probably) so I'm wagering about three dozen force 8-10 true form spirits. That way, if it's less, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

It'd be nice if we didn't have to deal with the insects at all... 25k isn't much for that kind of risk.
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:21 PM
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Yes..that's what I was about to say...we really only need data...not dead spirits...
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:22 PM
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You'll be dealing with them, like it or not. Thats just a bonus for being thorough.
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A Clockwork Lime
post Apr 21 2004, 08:25 PM
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Bah. Cowards, the lot of ya. Good luck holding Scratch back if this bug rumor turns out to be true... there's no way he's going to let those perversions of nature get out and infect metahuman hosts again. If he finds any, they're going down. <insert stubborn smiley face here>
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:26 PM
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@ Dash,

Hey, I am doing the negottiating and I am the night elf. ACL is the Satyr.
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A Clockwork Lime
post Apr 21 2004, 08:27 PM
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I PMed that to him. :) He probably got confused by the smell. <wafts his hand a bit in Shadow's general direction>
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:55 PM
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Just so you guys know that I am not being a dork, Shadow has a dependent that he takes his obligation too very seriously. And if he takes a job where he thinks the odds of him coming back are little to none, he makes sure that she is going to be setup.

Miss Young seems nice and honest and trustworthy. But we only have her word for it that she works for the Draco foundation. Which doesn't really mean anything anyways cause they are just another corp. So he is going to treat this job, and her like any other shadowrun. .
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post Apr 21 2004, 08:58 PM
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Perhaps someone can enlighten me a bit on exactly what the big deal is with flesh form bug spirits? From everything I've read, they're not particularly more dangerous then your average runner with an assualt rifle. They don't have natural armor, which means they're suseptible to gunfire, and unless the host they inhabit was a prime runner before, they don't exactly become combat gods.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:04 PM
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The problem with bug spirits Fenris isn't that there tough. It's that they are bugs, and you never just run into one damn bug, you run into hundreds.

To quote Hicks.

"I say we dust off, and nuke the place from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."
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A Clockwork Lime
post Apr 21 2004, 09:12 PM
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I dunno about you, but there's quite a few paranormal critters out there that are a pain in the ass with an animal intelligence alone. Crank one up to human-intelligence or higher as a flesh-form in addition to the other perks they receive on top of that, and we're in for a real party.

Let's see. A Force 6 Mantid-Fenris Wolf flesh-form female will have Body 16 with 6 points of armor (not sure if its hardened or not), Quickness 11 (x4 running speed), Strength 12, Charisma 6, Intelligence 6, Willpower 6, Reaction 12, and an Initiative of 22+1D6. Powers include Animal Control (Mantids), Compulsion, Enhanced Sense (Smell), Fear, Share Minds, Summoning, and a good chance of having a few of the Fenris Wolf's powers on top of that (let's say just Enhanced Strength and Magical Guard). Note the human-level intelligence behind all of that in particular. And that doesn't include any cyberware Ares may have installed, either.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:15 PM
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I didn't think flesh forms got hardened armor? In any case, spirit armor != hardened armor. Thank God for that.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:16 PM
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Yeah, I was hoping I edited that before anyone read it. :) I'll check to see what kind of armor it is in a moment.

Edit: It's just natural armor as far as I can tell.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:24 PM
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A plea to you guys, please include your character name with every post that you can. There are a lot of us and some of us (mainly me) have a lot of trouble keeping screen names and character names straight.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow)
@ Dash,

Hey, I am doing the negottiating and I am the night elf. ACL is the Satyr.

Yeah, I saw "shadow" and read "Scratch." My bad.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime)
QUOTE (Dashifen @ Apr 21 2004, 02:04 PM)
I'm having a terminology break down in my head.  There's a deck add on that provides protection against black IC biofeedback, ECM or ECCM if I remember correctly -- or ICCM.  Something.  Without the right term, or access to my Matrix sourcebook until tomorrow afternoon, can anyone decifer what it is I'm looking for?  Thinking I might want to upgrade my deck a little before tackling this one if the funds are available and the dice are good to me.

Biofeedback Filter. You definitely want one of those. :) I'm trying to find the price for one, but apparently it's going to take some calculations 'cause they're not available on the open market. (What the hell?)

That's the one. Stupid acronyms never made any sense to the lysdexic amoung us :P Anyway, I think you have to actually install the biofeedback as a hardware component, IIRC, which puts it in the cyberterminal construction chapter of Matrix. Concidering my funds and what we got, I don't think I can afford it alone, but it might be time to see how well this team is willing to work together ;) If anyone wants to look up the basics go for it. If not, I'll be back at home with my books tomorrow afternoon and I'll know everything then from the horses mouth, so to speak.
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post Apr 21 2004, 09:56 PM
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ICCM Biofeedback Filter:

Design test mod +1
Software Rating MPCP, Multiplier 4
Cook test: yes
Installation time: (MPCPx2) days
Installation test: Computer B/R 4 and Computer (cybernetics) (MPCP rating) Test
Parts: 35 :nuyen: x MPCP rating + 1000
Tools: Microtronics shop

In other words, it'll take a long time to do.
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Shadow
post Apr 21 2004, 10:05 PM
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@ TKG to help,

Shadow = Shadow
Grendel = Grendel
TKG = Warpath
Blitz = Silk
Buddha = Onna
Dash = Father
ACL = Scratch
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post Apr 21 2004, 10:07 PM
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And...

Fenris = Ayohuhisdi
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post Apr 21 2004, 10:13 PM
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Oops, sorry Fenris.
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post Apr 21 2004, 10:51 PM
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LOL

Poor Fenris....
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post Apr 21 2004, 11:01 PM
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I'm going to stick with the concept that orange text is spoken in Japanese.
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A Clockwork Lime
post Apr 21 2004, 11:02 PM
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My eyes are already beginning to weep. :)
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post Apr 21 2004, 11:15 PM
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why is that?

BTW...anyone else on AIM or Yahoo?
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Fenris
post Apr 21 2004, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 21 2004, 02:12 PM)
I dunno about you, but there's quite a few paranormal critters out there that are a pain in the ass with an animal intelligence alone.  Crank one up to human-intelligence or higher as a flesh-form in addition to the other perks they receive on top of that, and we're in for a real party.

Let's see.  A Force 6 Mantid-Fenris Wolf flesh-form female will have Body 16 with 6 points of armor (not sure if its hardened or not), Quickness 11 (x4 running speed), Strength 12, Charisma 6, Intelligence 6, Willpower 6, Reaction 12, and an Initiative of 22+1D6.  Powers include Animal Control (Mantids), Compulsion, Enhanced Sense (Smell), Fear, Share Minds, Summoning, and a good chance of having a few of the Fenris Wolf's powers on top of that (let's say just Enhanced Strength and Magical Guard).  Note the human-level intelligence behind all of that in particular.  And that doesn't include any cyberware Ares may have installed, either.

If I read the stuff on the flesh forms right, they don't get any bonuses for merging with the host on phyiscal stats, and mental is just equal to the force of the spirit.

So an average human merged with a Force 6 (non-mantid) spirit would have Bod 9, Str 9, Quick 9, Int 6, Will 6, Cha 6, no armor besides what he puts on, no special powers or anything else. One for one, I'd be more worried about a troll, truthfully. Seems like it's more numbers then anything else we need to worry about.

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