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> Heavy grenades, come back of 40mm grenades
Mäx
post Jan 19 2012, 07:51 PM
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A resent thread inspired me to finally partly finish my write up for old school style 40mm grenades.
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The launchers are still missing fluff text and no modern ones yet, but i'm mostly looking feedback on the balance of the grenades.
Edit: frak from 15P to 14P to leave a little higher cap to frag rocket
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post Jan 19 2012, 08:03 PM
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This is a house rule we've used for a long time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It simply makes no sense for 40mm to be the same as 25mm, 20mm, hand grenades, etc.

As with all grenades, they should be vastly more expensive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 19 2012, 08:20 PM
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You should balance the 40mm against rockets too - the frag rocket is 16P and the he rocket 14P, so your frag 40mm should be 14P.
But explosives in SR are somewhat stupid, if you read the rules for IEDs. 1 kg TNT has a DV of 4P, -2/m, AP 0 and costs 200nY, the detonator costs another 10nY+, more if you want radio-control.
A wireless-enabled minigrenade is cheaper, makes more damage and needs less space ...

An "iron bomb" makes 22P dmg, -2/m, AP0 and costs 400nY. That thing at least weights 50kg ...
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post Jan 19 2012, 08:40 PM
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Yeah. :/ The figures (in RAW) *are* all over the place, no rhyme or reason. Bleh.
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:02 PM
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It's like they have no idea what they are taking about. And don't care.
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:12 PM
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It's like they care about 'normal game' balance, and not Advanced Demolitions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But you're not bitter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I don't even want realism, I just want the cost and effects of grenades and rockets to be balanced and reasonable. Leave demolitions and bombs out entirely, if they're too much effort.
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:32 PM
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Well, a typical hand grenade has 150-200g of explosives in it ... following the normal rules for explosives, their rating should be 22 to 26
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:56 PM
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No 40mm flechette rounds? I'm a little disappointed.
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post Jan 19 2012, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 19 2012, 04:12 PM) *
Leave demolitions and bombs out entirely, if they're too much effort.


Meh. Most of us would have to make up house rules in the first game session if they did that. At least what they have gets us rolling, even if you couldn't reference it in your thesis to get your PhD in Mining Engineering.
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post Jan 19 2012, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (NiL_FisK_Urd @ Jan 19 2012, 02:32 PM) *
Well, a typical hand grenade has 150-200g of explosives in it ... following the normal rules for explosives, their rating should be 22 to 26


Depends upon the rating of the Explosive, doesn't it?
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post Jan 19 2012, 10:23 PM
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Hehe, sunnyside, I meant if I had to choose between two bad options. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'd rather have good grenades and rockets, plus nothing; than bad everything.
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post Jan 19 2012, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 19 2012, 11:56 PM) *
No 40mm flechette rounds? I'm a little disappointed.

Here you go.
Shotshell grenades
These grenades are essentially oversized shotgun shells.Can only be used with a grenade launcher.
Micro
9P(f) +5 I 12R 50¥
Heavy
11P(f) +5 I 12R 90¥

And now i have to copy&paste that into my gear file (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Jan 20 2012, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 19 2012, 11:25 PM) *
Here you go.
Shotshell grenades
These grenades are essentially oversized shotgun shells.Can only be used with a grenade launcher.
Micro
9P(f) +5 I 12R 50¥
Heavy
11P(f) +5 I 12R 90¥

And now i have to copy&paste that into my gear file (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Excellent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Microgrenades are only slightly larger than shotgun shells, right?
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post Jan 22 2012, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 20 2012, 01:12 AM) *
Excellent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Microgrenades are only slightly larger than shotgun shells, right?

Well frag-12 microgrenades are 12 gauge shells.
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post Jan 22 2012, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Jan 22 2012, 03:41 AM) *
Well frag-12 microgrenades are 12 gauge shells.
Great, now all I need is an AA-12 and... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)
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post Jan 22 2012, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Jan 20 2012, 11:12 AM) *
Excellent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Microgrenades are only slightly larger than shotgun shells, right?

Yes or at least that's what i based the lightly higher damage code to.
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