 Juggernauts, omg u see armadilo. it r ubarhuge. |
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 Apr 13 2004, 04:19 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992  |
Short and simple.
Is there any kind of back story to this nightmarish creature? Did one of the writers for Critters have a run involving a cute, cuddly armadillo and a barrel of radioactive orichalcum waste in a milspec armor facility? Why do these things exist, and can I buy one? A pet barghest just isn't dangerous enough. |
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Apr 13 2004, 04:26 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
From what I remember, Juggernaut is a Hindu god that was carried on a wagon, and his wagon would often crush his worshippers that threw themselves under it for some reason or other.
So yeah, basically, some writer was on crack and took the basic concept of Juggernaut and created a giant armadillo for one. :) Seemed to have done it with a few legendary beings, too. Baba Yaga, Minotaur, Pegasus, etc. Admittedly, other games had already bastardized the last two, so you can't really blame them on those. :) |
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Apr 13 2004, 04:44 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
They just awakened, just like 99% of all other metacreatures. None of them really have any special story except I think the Lambton Lizards off the top of my head.
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Apr 13 2004, 05:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
I seriously doubt you'd WANT one of these "ubarhuge" creatures as a pet.
Good for burglars, though. |
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Apr 13 2004, 05:57 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Try to get ahold of paranormals of NA, it adds three very important aspects to the juggernaut. Flavor text, an artistic rendering, and a size comparison that shows how one juggernaut foot is larger than a troll or two.
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Apr 13 2004, 06:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Where the hell would one keep it?
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Apr 13 2004, 06:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
I've been working for the past month or two on a set of houserules for training critters and keeping them as pets/security, including rules of how to maintain them as part of your lifestyle. I'm bogging down at setting a market price for each critter as it takes loads of math to make them reasonable and I'm still not getting a perfect fit (Small dog costs too much, Fenris Wolf costs way too little).
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Apr 13 2004, 06:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
If you want a pet juggernaut, it will be easier to build a house on its back and declare it a mobile home than to try to keep it enclosed anywhere.
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Apr 13 2004, 06:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
I hate Fenrir Wolves.
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Apr 13 2004, 06:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Fenrir Wolves are fun! Especially when they're cybered up and supported by a few high-Force Free Spirits. Doubly so if they happen to occupy an underground facility of which they have partial control through their cyberware.
Yeah, that was a fun run. I still think Juggies are weak. |
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Apr 13 2004, 06:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Then bag one and collect the bounty, why don'cha? |
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Apr 13 2004, 06:33 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Smartlinked Ultimax MMG on a Ring Mount. A few 7Ds through it's armor and against it's pitiful Body of 15 (less than your average Tank Troll) every CT while driving around it in circles with a jeep.
Or if you like hunting the old-fashioned way, Ranger Arms SM-3 with EX-Ex: 8S per shot plus successes. I'm the GM though, so it's not much of a feat for me to bag one. |
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Apr 13 2004, 06:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
Personally, my favorite 'awakened' critter is a housecat with F10 shadow spirit using its hidden life power on it.
But that's not the point. How many juggernauts are there? And do they make good foci? |
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Apr 13 2004, 10:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
Eh, the biggest animal cage I've made has 1400CF of storage space (53-foot-trailer chassis). For Wyverns, Juggernauts, Hydra Wyrms, and the like I reccomended the player have to purchase acreage to keep them on. But the trailer will do to capture it and haul it home for training. |
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Apr 13 2004, 10:23 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Considering that a typical juggernaut is 14 meters long and probably more than 5 meters wide and more than 2 meters tall, your trailer is too small.
14*5*3=210 m^3 -> 1680cf |
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Apr 13 2004, 11:06 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
In paranormal animlas it's toe is the size of a six foot tall human, I think thats a great deal more than two meters.
@ Austere, Juggy has hardened armor I belive. I am not near my books but I am pretty sure (%60). So that would make your 8S riffle fairly useless without AP or APDS ammo. Why you would want to hunt one I have no idea. They are fairly harmless and just eat trees. Would be cool to look at though. |
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Apr 13 2004, 11:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Yes, it has hardened armor. That's why the figures I gave are what it has to resists, ie. figures that have already been modified by armor. I did screw up, though, because the Ranger Arms SM-3 has a Damage Code of 14S, which means it only does 6S throug the 8 points of armor the Juggy has. The difference is not significant, however, and you'll bag the critter just as easily. The 7D figure for the Ultimax MMG was correct: 9S - 8 for armor + 6 for burst size: 7D. Put a Gas Vent IV on the Ultimax and you can do 11D without trouble.
I have no need to hunt one. I think Juggies are far too weak because of their insanely low Body attributes and the pitiful Power of the attacks, and am thus surprised every time someone thinks they are any threat to anyone. |
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Apr 13 2004, 11:44 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
A foot larger than a troll? How could it's bones support it's weight?
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Apr 14 2004, 12:09 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Oh yeah, Juggernaughts rock. Especially the missiles. The little fireballs are comparatively easy to dodge if you've got the space, though.
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Apr 14 2004, 02:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
By your math a troll (2.8 x 1 x 1 meter) roughly requires 2.8 cubic meters of space, or 22.4 CF. You can fit two trolls comfortably (and 3 if you crowd) in a Reinforced Bench seat that requires 8 CF, even through 3 trolls should take up over 65CF. Obviously your math isn't at fault, it's Shadowrun's occasionally screwy physics. But with the above in view I am perfectly comfortable asserting that a Juggernaut will be happy with plenty of roaming space in 1400CF. Yeah, math and Shadowrun don't always mix. |
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Apr 14 2004, 02:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 27-January 04 Member No.: 6,025 |
The seat itself takes up 8 CF not the 2-3 Trolls sitting on it.
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Apr 14 2004, 02:28 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Actually that counts as their "People Space" in both CF and Load.
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Apr 14 2004, 02:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
And not just the three trolls, that space counts to hold all their gear as well so 8 CF holds 3 trolls, 3-5 assault rifles, a half dozen pistols and SMGs, a riot shield or two, that 40 pounds of HE in a backpack. . .
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Apr 14 2004, 02:56 AM
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Yeah, but would this make any logical sense? Even a .50 BMG round would be about as painful or dangerous to it as a splinter to us by all logic. I mean, consider the shadow text. A guy dropped a cluster of anti-tank bombs on a young Juggernaut and it didn't leave a scratch (granted, PAoNA was written under 1st Ed., but then I am a bit of a fan of the staging rules). As for it's bones supporting it, if we're going to accept the standard SR "and then a miracle happens" explanation for various things, that's one to do it with. It's magic. Don't ask questions involving "logic." |
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Apr 14 2004, 03:00 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
That's the point he was trying to make. Their stats don't live up to their reputation.
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