Difference between good and better!, Read: german and english SR4 books :P Options

[Stahlseele]

The User Karel posted this over in the Pegasus Boards(Official German)

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So jetzt mach ich einfach mal eine Liste:
Aufgeführt sind jeweils: englischer Titel / deutscher Titel - falls zutreffend neues Cover, falls zutreffend deutsche Zusätze. Angaben zu reinen Erratierungen mache ich keine, da die - wie Sirdoom schreibt - in jedem der Bände drin sind.

*Shadowrun 20th Anniversary / Shadowrun Grundregelwerk 4. Edition - deutsche Zusätze: zusätzliche Kurzgeschichte, ADL-Kapitel (in der limited Ed. zweite, zusätzliche Kurzgeschichte)
*Arsenal / Arsenal 2070 - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: etliche zusätzliche Waffen, Ausrüstung, Fahrzeuge.
*Augmentation / Bodytech - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: mehrere neue Cybersets
*Emergence / Emergenz - Digitales Erwachen - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Kapitel: "Vogelscheuchen und Schwarze Männer" (Emergenz in der ADL)
*Unwired / Vernetzt - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: KEINE
*Street Magic / Straßenmagie, Pegasus-Ausgabe - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: "Digital Grimoire" (Übersetzung aus dem Englischen)
*Runner's Companion / Runnerkompendium - diverse Metavarianten- und Infiziertenbilder ersetzt, deutsche Zusätze: KEINE
*Ghost Cartels / Geisterkartelle - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Verschiedene Absätze zu Tempo in Europa und der ADL, Kapitel: "Die Euro-Tour"
*Runner Havens / Schattenstädte, Pegasus-Ausgabe - neues Cover, Seattle-Teil ergänzt und überarbeitet, deutsche Zusätze: Hamburg, Marseille (letzteres Übersetzung aus dem Französischen)
*Corporate Enclaves / Konzernenklaven - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Manhattan (Übersetzung aus dem Englischen), Groß-Frankfurt
*Feral Cities / Krisenzonen - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: KEINE
*Running Wild / Wildwechsel Das Critterdossier - deutsche Zusätze: Hagenbecks Tierpark, ein paar neue Critter (4 oder 5)
*Sixth World Almanac / Almanach der Sechsten Welt - neues Cover, umfangreiche Korrekturen bei Grafiken und Karten
*Vice / Unterwelten - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: "10 Gangs" (Übersetzung aus dem Englischen), Unterwelt und Cops der ADL
*Corporate Guide / Konzerndossier - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Konzerne in der ADL, tabellarische Angabe zu den Eurokons
*War! / Fronteinsatz - Abschnitt zu Auschwitz im Polenkapitel ersatzlos entfallen, Marienbadkapitel stark überarbeitet, Zauberspruch "Slow" entfallen, deutsche Zusätze: "MilSpec Tech" (Übersetzung aus dem Englischen), Bundeswehr und MET2000, Zauberspruch "Massenlevitation"
*Attitude / Lifestyle 2073 - deutsche Zusätze: Fußball-Blitztabelle, Karl Kombatmage
*Spy Games / Machtspiele - Handbuch für Spione - deutsche Zusätze: Politik in der ADL, ARGUS, Allianzhauptstadt Hannover
*Street Legends / Straßenlegenden - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Kommando Konwacht, Monika Stüehler-Waffenschmidt, Kaltenstein, Nebelherr
*Runner's Black Book / Schattenkatalog - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Razannng-Kapitel (PKW, Vans, Bus und LKW)
*Conspiracy Theories / Verschwörungstheorien - neues Cover, deutsche Zusätze: Geheimbünde in der ADL, Europäische Verschwörungen, Sonderrechtszone Karlsruhe

Anmerkung: Die von einem meiner vorangehenden Poster angesprochenen zusätzlichen Knarren sind im englischen "Runner's Black Book" (im Vergleich zu den einzelnen Pdfs) auch drin.

http://www.foren.pegasus.de/foren/topic/79...post__p__120894


I'll now try and translate it here for all of you to see:

English Title / German Title - Changes. Errata is not mentioned, because over here, these are assumed to be included in every new product if available. As is the Index. Added if missing.

* Shadowrun 20th Anniversary / Shadowrun 4. Edition Grundregelwerk - German Additions: Additional Short Story, AGS Chapter(Limited Version includes ANOTHER Additional Short Story)
* Arsenal / Arsenal 2070 - New Cover, German Additions: Several new Weapons and pieces of Gear and Vehicles
* Augmentation / Bodytech - New Cover, German Additions: Several new Cybersuites
* Emergence / Emergenz: Digitales Erwachen - New Cover, German Additions: New Chapter:"Scarecrows and Black Men" (Emergence in the AGS)
* Unwired / Vernetzt - Neues Cover, German Additions: NONE
* Street Magic / Strassenmagie, Pegasus Variant - New Cover, German Additions: Digital Grimoire (Translated from english)
* Runners Companion / Runnerkompendium - New Cover, several Metavariant and Infected Pictures have changed, German Additions: NONE
* Ghost Cartels / Geisterkartelle - New Cover, German Additions: Several paragraphs about Tempo in Europe and the AGS. New Chapter: "The Euro-Tour"
* Runner Havens / Schattenstädte, Pegasus Variant - New Cover, Seattle expanded and partly redone, German Additions: Hamburg, Marseilles(Translated from the French)
* Corporate Enclaves / Konzernenklaven - New Cover, German Additions: Manhatten (Translated from english), Greater Frankfurt
* Feral Cities / Krisenzonen - New Cover, German Additions: NONE
* Running Wild / Wildwechsel: Das Critter-Dossier - German Additions: Hagenbeck Zoo in Hamburg, some new Critters (4 or 5)
* Sixth World Almanach / Almanach der 6. Welt - New Cover, wide reaching corrections in both Graphs and Maps
* Vice / Unterwelten - New Cover, German Additions: 10 Gangs(Translated from the english) Underworld and Cops of the AGS
* Corporate Guide / Konzerndossier - New Cover, German Additions: Corporations in the AGS, Tables to the Euro-Corps.
* War! / Fronteinsatz - Auschwitz Parts in the Poland Chapter have been deleted, Marienbad chapter has been changed significantly, Spell "Slow" deleted, German Additions: Milspec Tech(Translated from english), German Armed Forces, MET2000, Spell "Masslevitation" has been added as a working replacement for "Slow"
* Attitude / Lifestyle 2073 - German Addons: Soccer Table, Karl Kombatmage
* Spy Games / Machtspiele: Handbuch für Spione(Handbook for Spies) - German Additions: Politics in the AGS, ARGUS, Alliance Captial Hannover
* Street Legends / Strassenlegenden - New Cover, German Additions: Kommando Konwacht, Monika Stuehler-Waffenschmidt, Kaltenstein, Nebelherr
* Runner's Black Book / Schattenkatalog - New Cover, Razannng Chapter(Vans, Bus, SUV, Transport-Truck)
* Conspiracy Theories / Verschwoerungstheorien - New Cover, German Additions: Secret Societies in the AGS, European Conspiracies, Special Legal Zone Karlsruhe

Note: The Additional Guns that are not in the PDF files but are in the Runner's Black Book in the english original are in the german Version too




You can now be sad/jealous of us and mad at me for daring to translate this here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) =^.^=

[bannockburn]

Well, there's always a significant advantage in translating an existing product. You can include errata and apparently even the 5$ pdf only books. This being said: Pegasus is known for quality work and I'm glad to see that they continue with it in Shadowrun.
Personally, I don't like the Urban Brawl book, but it is still an excellent standalone german product.
I also really like the differences in the cover artwork.
Downside is the higher prize and having to wait for the books. I've bought all my english pdfs relatively early after releasse, because I don't like having to wait, and of course that means, with a limited budget and a tablet, that I won't buy any of the beautiful hardcovers anymore.

[Stahlseele]

We had the Discussion about PDF versus Dead Tree on another german board for some days this week . .
The only really good thing about Books is that you can have them in a shelf to show off and you can use them as a shield/bashing implement for/against certain players . .


@Name: i used to know 2 Mechs by that Moniker . .

[bannockburn]

No. I also really like the feel of a book and pages between my fingers. Also, the smell.
But for a convention, it's really really impractical, and full text search in a pdf on an iPad = awesome.

Edit: @Name: Common misconception (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I used this for my first SR character, a scottish patriot. About a year later, I first read the BT books and discovered that the mech was named for the same reason ^^

[Stahlseele]

Yah, the tactile/sensory impact of ink and paper is a really nice thing . .
But if you go into the 20 HARDCOVER at least, you will need to reconsider bringing them with you . .

As for me, i usually use a Laptop, since i don't like tablets <.<

[CanRay]

Why do Germans get the best stuff?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Why do Germans get the best stuff?

Quality German Engineering?

[Neraph]

Because.... no, I won't go there. I like the Germans. In fact, I was born in Bad Cannstatt, as was my father (although both he and I are full-blooded Natural-Born Americans), and I took a year of German in highschool (so many years ago...).

[Critias]

Why do Germans get the best stuff?

Because they take the stuff other people write, and get the chance to refine it prior to publication (especially when said refinement includes the unique opportunity to specifically include material tailored to your geographical target audience), mostly.

I really dig the German crew that I've met and hung out with (I got some Urban Brawl trading cards from 'em, in fact!), but to completely describe one set of core products as bad, and the translations of them (with additional edits and errata worked in) as good is...well...just the sort of hyperbolic oversimplification that I've come to expect from the internet, I suppose, but Stahl's a bright guy and I'm sure he knows that. I'm glad that German Shadowrun fans have books they like, at any rate.

[Stahlseele]

Well, Bogota was received poorly over here too, if i remember correctly.

But i changed the title anyway . .

[Critias]

Well, Bogota was received poorly over here too, if i remember correctly.

But i changed the title anyway . .

It's appreciated.

[lokii]

Quality German Engineering?

Oh yes, since a German (Holy Roman German, whatever) has invented the movable type (yes, I know China and Korea) and the printing press, half a millennium later we really got this book printing stuff nailed down here in Germany. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In more seriousness, I have to agree with Critias the German translation is not a rewrite. The added stuff is a small portion of the whole book and even with some mistakes corrected the quality of the German translation still hinges on the quality of the original work. I guess I will just keep beating this, but I had high hopes for the German Almanach and there certainly was a _lot_ of correction work done on this one, but some of the major stuff like fixing the geography of Asia or at least making more plausible alterations evidently was not green-lighted in the end.

@Stahlseele: The German version of War! is Fronteinsatz not Frontabschnitt.

[Stahlseele]

Huh? Oh, thanks, indeed, my mistake @.@

[Ryu]

Oh yes, since a German (Holy Roman German, whatever) has invented the movable type (yes, I know China and Korea) and the printing press, half a millennium later we really got this book printing stuff nailed down here in Germany. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

And if I recall the German version of "Loose Alliances" correctly (part of my brain fails at forgetting), we mastered it very recently. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

[Shortstraw]

The only really good thing about Books is that you can have them in a shelf to show off and you can use them as a shield/bashing implement for/against certain players . .

You should see the slumbering tsar by frog god games 1000 pages and weighs 5lbs 7oz.

[Stahlseele]

You should see the slumbering tsar by frog god games 1000 pages and weighs 5lbs 7oz.

RPG-Books: Now Bulletproof!

[Neko Asakami]

I see a lot about the German books here on the boards, but does anyone know anything about the French language books? My German is decent , but I'm WAY better at reading in French and it would be nice to have access to some of this stuff for my games.

[Stahlseele]

i actually keep forgetting that there is something like french shadowrun . . that's how little people know about it . .
i think they have their own version of the SOX campaign for example . .

[lokii]

I see a lot about the German books here on the boards, but does anyone know anything about the French language books?

I don't follow it closely, but as far as I know Black Book Éditions only does translations. Some of the translated titles include French exclusive additions. For example Enclaves corporatistes has Lille or Jungles urbaines (Feral Cities) describes Clermont-Ferrand. But I don't think you can get this separately.

[Elfenlied]

I really like the German "Schattenkatalog", which is a print version of all the PDF content from MilspecTech to Gun Heaven bound in black leather. AFAIK, it's limited to a print of 750. I've got #34.

[_Pax._]

But if you go into the 20 HARDCOVER at least, you will need to reconsider bringing them with you . .

Even softcover.

I own all my SR books in PDF format now - and keep copies on my NookColor, for travel. Grab my eReader and a cubeof SR-modified* dice, and I'm good to go. No more hundred-pound weightlifting competitions to lug around 1 or 2 milk-crates full of books; I'm 41 now, not 14.







*: by "modified", I mean only that they're black dice, with all the 2's 3's and 4's blacked out, and the 1's colored in red. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Neraph]

*: by "modified", I mean only that they're black dice, with all the 2's 3's and 4's blacked out, and the 1's colored in red. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have mine in translucent blue. In a dicebag with the bio-hazard symbol on it.

[_Pax._]

I didn't happen to have a blue Sharpie at home, but I did have a black and a red. So, I looked for dice in either of those two colors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Elfenlied]

I don't know if they're only sold in Germany, but we have official Shadowrun dice here with the Shadowrun logo on the 5 and 6. They're packed in neat metal boxes, each containing a set of 9. Was kinda funny when our residential gunbunny showed up with four boxes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[_Pax._]

They must be full-sized dice, if they come only nine to a box.

The dice I modified are actually meant for Games Workshop's minis games. 27 dice in a cube, 2 of which were specialised (so couldn't be used for SR). That left 25 dice to modify ... more than enough for most circumstances (and I can pack a standard Chessex 36-die cube or two, both to share and to supplement).

They're smaller than standard d6, though. So the 3x3x3 GW cube ends up being, oh, maybe 5cm or 6cm on a side.