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 Aug 14 2012, 05:35 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120  |
I was told that Initiation can only take place after chargen using karma gained from campaigns, yet in chummer it doesn't seem that way. can you initiate at chargen useing karma, or is that still off limits? ( oh, and any advice on combat/face or PIish mages (ie something close to the occult investigator) would be welcome as well)
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Aug 14 2012, 06:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 497 Joined: 16-April 08 From: Alexandria, VA Member No.: 15,900 |
My understanding, and I don't have Runner's Companion in front of me right now to verify this, but I believe initiating during character creation is allowable by GM fiat for karmagen rules. In other words, it isn't the standard rule, just a commonly accepted practice.
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Aug 14 2012, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 |
It can make a big difference for posession-based traditions to start out with their 1st initiation and the Channeling metamagic.
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Aug 14 2012, 06:13 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
See "Magical Ressources", SR4A pg. 87. Initiation is only allowed after chargen. Initiation is also not part of the table on RW pg. 41, and the summary of the various steps doesn´t allow it back in.
That said, we houseruled starting initiations in. Just watch the high magic/high initiation combos. Magic 4 + Initiate 3 on a spellcaster is quite good already. |
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Aug 14 2012, 06:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 15-July 12 From: Everywhere that's in the middle of nowhere. Member No.: 53,043 |
With cummer allowing initiation on karma actually is a good thing so GM's can create NPC's with Initiation. As for gen Chargen in the beginning; good for house rules and advance starting. GM's should still be reviewing char's prior to their starting.
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Aug 14 2012, 08:02 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 22-April 12 From: somewhere far beyond sanity Member No.: 51,886 |
QUOTE ("Runner's Companion @ p. 43") The Karma system offers all the options available to the default Build Point system, while remaining integrated with in game Karma-based character improvement. Consequently, gamemasters may choose to allow starting characters to use Karma for any and all purposes that they normally would in-game (to initiate, to join a technomancer guild, to quicken spells, etc.). The gamemaster should retain final judgement in the matter and should consider the ramifications of some advanced abilities this option might unlock at the start of play. My personal ruling on this matter is "Sure, initiate at start. No higher than Rank 1 though." Note, this is from the part "Tweaking", so it is an optional 'rule' by default. |
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Aug 14 2012, 08:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 250 Joined: 22-December 09 Member No.: 17,988 |
QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Aug 14 2012, 02:03 PM)  My understanding, and I don't have Runner's Companion in front of me right now to verify this, but I believe initiating during character creation is allowable by GM fiat for karmagen rules. In other words, it isn't the standard rule, just a commonly accepted practice. Correct. Runner's Companion, pg. 43 in the "Tweaking the Karma System" box on the top right of the page. |
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Aug 14 2012, 09:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
I allow 1 initiation during generation.
It's kind of the bonus for doing karma gen rather than point buy. |
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