 Create food?, Does it exist? |
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 Aug 16 2012, 07:55 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304  |
Just what it said. Create food has been talked about, but I can't find it in any book. Is it there, or are people just remembering 3rd ed?
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Aug 16 2012, 07:57 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
There isn't one that I'm aware of. I could be wrong since I'm away from books but I was under the impression that Nutrition works more like the Stim spell than a vending machine.
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Aug 16 2012, 08:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 497 Joined: 16-April 08 From: Alexandria, VA Member No.: 15,900 |
Nutrition, page 170 SM and Sustenance power, page 179 SM.
They don't actually create food, but they satisfy food needs in the case of Nutrition, or make what little you have go farther, in the case of Sustenance. |
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Aug 16 2012, 08:20 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Create Food was in SR3.
It created a nutrituous tasteless grey gruel. |
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Aug 16 2012, 08:25 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 22-April 12 From: somewhere far beyond sanity Member No.: 51,886 |
Which is, colloquially called, Soylent Green!
RIP Harrison (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) |
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Aug 16 2012, 08:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Banned Posts: 1,105 Joined: 23-August 10 Member No.: 18,961 |
Just make the spell up.
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Aug 17 2012, 03:03 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
Goes against RAW. Street Magic, page 160 in the side bar of "The Limits Of Sorcery", the second to last entry "Sorcery Cannot Create Complex Things". If you can't use magic to create something as simple as a hammer, what makes you think it could create something as complex as a hamburger. IIRC these same limitations existed in SR3 as well.
When I first read Stahlseele's post, I first thought to the D&D spell of the same name that did just as he described (created a tasteless yet nutritious gray paste). |
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Aug 17 2012, 07:11 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Nope.
SR3. Magic in the Shadows page 147. Create Food. Additional Net hits can be used to improve the quality of the food. So yes, with enough Hits you could conjour a Pizza out of thin air! |
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Aug 17 2012, 08:18 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
I can see why it was never recreated in 4th (at least from the material I have). To me it breaks the limit of sorcery that I mentioned. Otherwise, if I can create a pizza from nothing, why can't I create something simpler like a hammer or a gun? (comparing the variety of chemicals, nutrients, vitamins and minerals, etc. that are in a pizza to a simpler form of solid iron for a hammer)
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Aug 17 2012, 08:54 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
It's a spell that led to many problems, it's better left missing.
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Aug 17 2012, 08:56 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Spirit Wealth-Power still there?
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Aug 17 2012, 09:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 17 2012, 09:56 AM)  Spirit Wealth-Power still there? Yes, in both temporary and permanent forms. |
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Aug 17 2012, 09:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,018 Joined: 3-July 10 Member No.: 18,786 |
Given that transmutation is fine (turn to goo, petrification etc), a create food spell could work by transmuting air into pizza.
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Aug 17 2012, 09:33 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 17 2012, 11:03 AM) Yes, in both temporary and permanent forms. So there is precedent still QUOTE (Halinn @ Aug 17 2012, 11:05 AM) Given that transmutation is fine (turn to goo, petrification etc), a create food spell could work by transmuting air into pizza. A loophole! |
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Aug 17 2012, 03:36 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 17 2012, 03:33 AM) A loophole! A delicious loophole! |
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Aug 17 2012, 04:01 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Aren't those sustained, not permanent? I wonder what happens if you eat it and then it stops.
Presumably, goo and calcium carbonate are 'simple' materials. If salt is food, then yes. (All standard 'Goo is awful' comments also apply. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) |
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Aug 17 2012, 04:45 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
And a bit chewy . .
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