Bearclaw
Aug 16 2012, 07:55 PM
Just what it said. Create food has been talked about, but I can't find it in any book. Is it there, or are people just remembering 3rd ed?
Whipstitch
Aug 16 2012, 07:57 PM
There isn't one that I'm aware of. I could be wrong since I'm away from books but I was under the impression that Nutrition works more like the Stim spell than a vending machine.
Speed Wraith
Aug 16 2012, 08:08 PM
Nutrition, page 170 SM and Sustenance power, page 179 SM.
They don't actually create food, but they satisfy food needs in the case of Nutrition, or make what little you have go farther, in the case of Sustenance.
Stahlseele
Aug 16 2012, 08:20 PM
Create Food was in SR3.
It created a nutrituous tasteless grey gruel.
bannockburn
Aug 16 2012, 08:25 PM
Which is, colloquially called, Soylent Green!
RIP Harrison
almost normal
Aug 16 2012, 08:45 PM
Just make the spell up.
SpellBinder
Aug 17 2012, 03:03 AM
Goes against RAW. Street Magic, page 160 in the side bar of "The Limits Of Sorcery", the second to last entry "Sorcery Cannot Create Complex Things". If you can't use magic to create something as simple as a hammer, what makes you think it could create something as complex as a hamburger. IIRC these same limitations existed in SR3 as well.
When I first read Stahlseele's post, I first thought to the D&D spell of the same name that did just as he described (created a tasteless yet nutritious gray paste).
Stahlseele
Aug 17 2012, 07:11 AM
Nope.
SR3.
Magic in the Shadows page 147.
Create Food.
Additional Net hits can be used to improve the quality of the food.
So yes, with enough Hits you could conjour a Pizza out of thin air!
SpellBinder
Aug 17 2012, 08:18 AM
I can see why it was never recreated in 4th (at least from the material I have). To me it breaks the limit of sorcery that I mentioned. Otherwise, if I can create a pizza from nothing, why can't I create something simpler like a hammer or a gun? (comparing the variety of chemicals, nutrients, vitamins and minerals, etc. that are in a pizza to a simpler form of solid iron for a hammer)
Blade
Aug 17 2012, 08:54 AM
It's a spell that led to many problems, it's better left missing.
Stahlseele
Aug 17 2012, 08:56 AM
Spirit Wealth-Power still there?
Aerospider
Aug 17 2012, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 17 2012, 09:56 AM)

Spirit Wealth-Power still there?
Yes, in both temporary and permanent forms.
Halinn
Aug 17 2012, 09:05 AM
Given that transmutation is fine (turn to goo, petrification etc), a create food spell could work by transmuting air into pizza.
Stahlseele
Aug 17 2012, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 17 2012, 11:03 AM)

Yes, in both temporary and permanent forms.
So there is precedent still
QUOTE (Halinn @ Aug 17 2012, 11:05 AM)

Given that transmutation is fine (turn to goo, petrification etc), a create food spell could work by transmuting air into pizza.
A loophole!
Neraph
Aug 17 2012, 03:36 PM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 17 2012, 03:33 AM)

A loophole!
A delicious loophole!
Yerameyahu
Aug 17 2012, 04:01 PM
Aren't those sustained, not permanent? I wonder what happens if you eat it and then it stops.
Presumably, goo and calcium carbonate are 'simple' materials. If salt is food, then yes. (All standard 'Goo is awful' comments also apply.

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Stahlseele
Aug 17 2012, 04:45 PM
And a bit chewy . .
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