 What is the best way to kill Bug Spirits, For a mostly mundane group? |
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 Apr 16 2004, 07:34 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 18-March 04 Member No.: 6,174  |
Ok we are going into an area that i'm betting is going to be very buggy. We have a mage, a couple cybered up individuals (Sammie-mercs) and an NPC Rigger. We have a couple of big guns, which i'm not sure if were bringing or not (we will if I have any say) being as we are supposed to be evicting some squatters and gangers from an area and so are not expecting any real serious trouble.
I plan on packing a couple of cans of roach spray that i'll toss and shot in mid air (and hopefully run for it and make it) if any so up, but I'm hoping for a few more pointers if anyone has any ideas (besides nuking them because we all know that don't work)!!! |
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Apr 16 2004, 07:36 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Concussion grenades, very useful for oppressing the masses for a sweep and clear operation.
Just try not to pick on the cute chick with the goth husband, he might come back and whoop you ;) |
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Apr 16 2004, 07:37 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
The best way to handle them is your mage or an adept with killing hands. Otherwise, overwhelming firepower is your only hope. Note that if the spirits are in close quarters, grenades and chunky salsa are your best bet.
[edit]Actually a troll physical adept with a dikoted combat axe weapon focus should be able to handle the problem (provided he has the "multiple combatant" penalty reducing martial arts). [/edit] |
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Apr 16 2004, 07:38 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Can lots n lots of gasoline. it'll be a 'controlled' fire, i swear.
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Apr 16 2004, 07:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 3-February 04 Member No.: 6,054 |
Get some respirators and a few smoke-bomb insecticide grenades. While it might not kill them, it will definitely give them some modifiers and give you an edge.
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Apr 16 2004, 07:41 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Also, have the rigger check to see if an old gas main is on the street in question (gotta love those city block maps). a few rapid bursts and boom, no more city block.
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Apr 16 2004, 08:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Don't bother trying to shoot the cans in the air. I've got two suggestions for you on that one:
1) Insecticide can and a small expolsive (M-80 or so) light the fuse and throw. Homemade splash genade. 2) Bug bomb. They have then now. Its the cans where you press the button and leave the house for 6 hours. The spray pumps out until empty. Don't know how long it takes to empy. Its would also give some vision modifiers as the smoke is thick. Good luck. |
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Apr 16 2004, 09:42 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Bug bombs emptying faster could be unstable (eg fall over, or, if fast enough, skid around on the floor from the force of the decompression). You want to empty it quickly? Put a 9M hole through it.
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Apr 16 2004, 10:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Call the Orkin man.
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Apr 16 2004, 11:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
I rarely create a Mundane character who doesn't have a Tazer for just this reason.
With elemental damage power 10 any spirit under essence 10 is vulnerable despite it's resistance to normal weapons. On top of that with base damage S even a few net stageups will kill a bug really fast. |
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Apr 16 2004, 11:14 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
that, and a streetsweeper. you can fill 'em with anything--like, y'know, natural rocks.
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Apr 16 2004, 11:23 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Uh, I'm pretty sure that tazers were never intended to be allowed to overflow to physical. You've got to be kidding.
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Apr 17 2004, 12:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
I thought any stun damage, if you keep applying it, overflows? |
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Apr 17 2004, 12:20 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Once a non-flesh form takes deadly stun it is disrupted, so the point is moot.
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Apr 17 2004, 12:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 16-August 03 Member No.: 5,501 |
what about white phosphorous grenades?
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Apr 17 2004, 12:32 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Yes, that's the rule, but under that rule, I can kill you with a tazer, which is absolutely insane. Some things that do stun were just never mean to be able to overflow. Take drugs that cause unconsciousness, for example. |
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Apr 17 2004, 03:25 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 51 Joined: 9-January 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 5,967 |
Hey, there are plenty of reports of people being hit by police tazers and dying soon afterwards. It's the combanation of adrenaline, fear, and the blast of current through your body that kills you. I can see it happening.
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Apr 17 2004, 03:36 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
As for drugs that cause unconsiousness, there are a lot of cases of a downer causing a heart to stop or the like if applied to someone improperly. Somehow, I don't think a gunshot wound and a Neurostun grenade equate to a "proper" application of the stuff ;)
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Apr 17 2004, 04:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
As noted, Tazers have killed people. 100,000 volts going through your nervous system isn't exactly good for it. It normally just stuns but an overload can kill. As for drugs. . . what do you think an OD is? Give somebody five times the recomended dose of Morphine and they won't be getting up again. You can kill a person with almost any drug given enough of it (Granted with Aspirin it's a fragging hard task, you have to give them massive doses until they bleed to death through the stomache and it takes forever, but 500 people die that way every year). Besides, spirits normally go bye-bye when they get full stun. I didn't think about a Streetsweeper, but since sand is considered elemental damage that should be effective too, although you might have to point out the "Sand" effect in MitS for your GM to agree. Other options for making mundane weapons into magic-slayers are incindiary and Big D's Temper rounds for fire damage, along with any grenade since "Blast" is also an elemental effect. Oooh. . . and see if your Fixer can get you some FAB-III. Just make sure nobody in your group is dual natured and you can take down an army of bugs while sitting in a lounge chair sipping lemonade. |
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Apr 17 2004, 04:27 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Of course tazers have killed people. Of course overdoses of anaesthetics have killed people. But not even remotely in the way that the rules handle it. That was a simple oversight, and any fatalities resulting from that sort of stuff should be handled by the GM. CS gas and smoke grenades have caused more deaths in confined spaces than I'd care to look up, but they're not exactly touched by mechanics for doing damage.
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Apr 17 2004, 04:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Well, assuming you can't get hold of a Sea-Saber to fire at the Queen...
A UAV drone with a decent rating missile launch system can fire multiple Great Dragon AGTMs. These things are easy to get, and quite a bargain. If you have a bunch in a group, go for HE missiles. If you don't mind making noise, that is. |
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Apr 17 2004, 05:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 6-January 03 From: In front of my laptop Member No.: 3,860 |
Don't forget that a strong streetsam may be able to knockdown and hold on to a bug spirit taking it out on the fight for a while till the party can kill it. My troll surprised our GM when he did this in a game. I didn't even know know they had a set of rules to cover tackling and holding some down it was just an act of desperation because guns weren't working.
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Apr 17 2004, 05:52 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 From: DC/NOVA, USA Member No.: 80 |
Paranoia, cha-cha-cha... :evil:GM:D Why, when told to sweep all civilians from an area of Aurora close to the burn scar of the FAE bomb dropped on the Denver UB chapter, would you assume the worst?
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Apr 17 2004, 06:50 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 From: DC/NOVA, USA Member No.: 80 |
ROFLMAO! :rotfl: :rollin: What's so funny about this is that the "simple sweep and clear" is gonna be taking place right around October 30th... |
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Apr 17 2004, 09:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 402 Joined: 23-April 03 From: London, UK Member No.: 4,491 |
What about Capsule Rounds? In Cannon Companion, it clearly says that you can fill up a few rounds with insecticide and they'll do damage to a bug spirit.
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